What do you base that on?

this is why free will debates are stupid because there's no way to prove it, because if it's determined that you'd argue about it, then it's determined you believe you have free will and the determined results of you embracing free will is the determined prosperity of growing your diligence and discipline and thus increasing the heights you can reach and achieving those heights.

But if there is free will, then it's the same fucking result

It's a philosopher's jack off conversation

@Dusty Morgan I felt like wieghing in with my opinion. you just described motivations not causations

Math is stupid because you can't prove logic.

Motivations effect your choices man.

yes

who is arguing they dont?

If you were not motivated, would you make that choice?

@The Ghost of Monarchies yes

im often motivated but still dont do things

Just because your will is determined does not mean it doesn't exist.

im motivated to hit people all the time but i dont

I gotta go sleep

That you been condition to view hitting others as a bad thing through consequences.

See ya

nah, sometimes hitting is appropriate.

You got a small and limited free will.

If there's two doors to get into the same room, and one door was 4 feet tall and the other was 9, most people will go through the door that you don't need to duck to get into. That's influence. But nothing is stopping you from using the usable 4 feet tall door, that's free will.

you are confating my moral sense of right and wrong with my choices

We live in a universe bound by physical laws, so we have a plausible scope, but within that existience every choice that is up to you will shift that scope around

I'm motivated to teleport but i cant 😦

People tend to confuse determinism with omniscience.

If you eat like shit and never exercise, the scope for your life is to be a fatass that has heart issues, even if you go to school and get a degree, or live with your mom your whole life

But if you get fit and eat well you open new doors that you couldn't before, like now you could probably climb King's Canyon in Australia

Your scope is not the end of your existence, it shifts with you, there's hard physical limits, but you can push beyond what your old self had as a limit at one time with determination

there are some random, pointless conversations on here but this is the most pointless.

it really doesnt matter if we have free will or not.

Your free will is to explore the whole ocean. Your physical limitation is that you can't suddenly transform into a bird.

But you sure as hell can get your aviator's license.

we cannot prove our point to eachothers satisfaction ergo pointless

Scarce objective means, infinite subjective ends.

Whatever

Going to sleep

night 😃

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Ben Shapiro'sgenetics predetermined him to be a manlet
But his will made him be a slim manlet instead of a fat fuck manlet.

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Also if free will doesn't exist, neither does consent.
Checkmate, feminists

Prediction becomes more difficult as the number of varibles increases, and impossible beyond certain margins of error (due to quantum uncertainty) but everything is fundamentally deterministic, regardless of whether the facts are knowable. To claim otherwise is to reject all of science. To reject free will is to reject the utility of scientific knowledge.

. . . what is a manlet?