thats why secularism is a thing @Dvir

I would rather have a monolatric pluralistic society than a secular one

whats that @Dvir

Lets bring back contradictory tribal concepts

Thats totally not a bad idea

yes I agree with that as well , there was always some sort of religious structure, obviously Jesus only goes back 2 thousand years... theres been thousands of religions@Beemann

@Dvir

Oh I just mean that you can have shared cultural identity without it being tied up in a metaphysical entity

@Existence is identity I see your point. I agree with the airplane thing, but here is a thing
Plane is faster, more energy to use then a bike, because energy is what makes anything. Energy is has true value because it is defined in matter. Gold is defined objectively in the society because of its rarity and nothing else, making it a valid commodity. Speaking from a purely objective point of view nothing has more value then anything else in a material sense. I hope I didn't botch the wording.

The issue is that you need a sort of baseline purpose or people start to get a bit antsy

i personally like the idea of civic nationalism

There are four stances a state can take on religion: theistic, pluralistic, secularistic, and atheistic. A pluralistic society keeps its fundamental religious values while accepting all other religions that share said fundamental moral principles. Monolatry is the belief that the one transcendent God should be worshipped while accepting differentiating views of religion so long as they agree on that shared value.

@Rouqen Id agree but things have to measured by certain standards and context as for everything being the same in reality is still measured by reality

Thus religions like judaism, christianity, hinduism, and others will be able to coexist because they all believe in the the ultimate One God from which all comes from, even if in the case of Hinduism there are multiple deities, all deities are believed to be aspects of the One God.

Sure, but I also have a problem when religion becomes authoritarian, like the catholic church, modern islam today, SJW mind disease, etc... @Dvir

@Coochie coo All of collectivism becomes authoritarian

Lol

That is understandable, but the current ailment of intersectionalism is the result of a lack of moral absolutism, a lack of religious absolutes, thus with the extreme moral relativity within our society a new form of moral absolutism has arisen from the laxity of the society.

but people also want evidence for what they're praying to as well @Dvir

I also give gold and silver more value then iron. Right now I am just being as objective as I can in my judgement of worth @Existence is identity

@Dvir wouldnt that be unreasonable having ONE true religion and also , yea sure you can keep being animist

not all collective groups/ religions have been authoritarian @Existence is identity

@Rouqen Like I said if is consistent with the context and doesnt contradict it is correct. This also means it must refer back to context

What also seems to be incompatible is "we all believe in this one God" and non belief

@Coochie coo The difference between modern collectivism and todays is time

*past

I don't believe God has direct control or influence over the Universe or is a conscious being but I nonetheless believe the concept of God to be an extremely important idea that must be upheld, since it serves as unifier to all the dissonant aspects of reality in a way that simply describing it as the Universe cannot.

like the Amish, the Mennonites

just be spiritualist

Not follow a named god

believe in a supreme being

Nameless

>believe in a supreme being
Nah

I am atheist

So I don't care

Either way

The Übermensch?

Ubermensch is a goal more so than a supreme being

yes

or become atheist and and follow the one true individualism

but perhaps it could be met on a individual level?