Message from @Rouqen

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2018-12-05 22:09:26 UTC  

The issue is that you need a sort of baseline purpose or people start to get a bit antsy

2018-12-05 22:09:57 UTC  

i personally like the idea of civic nationalism

2018-12-05 22:09:59 UTC  

There are four stances a state can take on religion: theistic, pluralistic, secularistic, and atheistic. A pluralistic society keeps its fundamental religious values while accepting all other religions that share said fundamental moral principles. Monolatry is the belief that the one transcendent God should be worshipped while accepting differentiating views of religion so long as they agree on that shared value.

2018-12-05 22:10:14 UTC  

@Rouqen Id agree but things have to measured by certain standards and context as for everything being the same in reality is still measured by reality

2018-12-05 22:11:09 UTC  

Thus religions like judaism, christianity, hinduism, and others will be able to coexist because they all believe in the the ultimate One God from which all comes from, even if in the case of Hinduism there are multiple deities, all deities are believed to be aspects of the One God.

2018-12-05 22:11:12 UTC  

Sure, but I also have a problem when religion becomes authoritarian, like the catholic church, modern islam today, SJW mind disease, etc... @Dvir

2018-12-05 22:11:38 UTC  

@Coochie coo All of collectivism becomes authoritarian

2018-12-05 22:11:43 UTC  

Lol

2018-12-05 22:12:04 UTC  

That is understandable, but the current ailment of intersectionalism is the result of a lack of moral absolutism, a lack of religious absolutes, thus with the extreme moral relativity within our society a new form of moral absolutism has arisen from the laxity of the society.

2018-12-05 22:12:09 UTC  

but people also want evidence for what they're praying to as well @Dvir

2018-12-05 22:12:15 UTC  

I also give gold and silver more value then iron. Right now I am just being as objective as I can in my judgement of worth @Existence is identity

2018-12-05 22:12:25 UTC  

@Dvir wouldnt that be unreasonable having ONE true religion and also , yea sure you can keep being animist

2018-12-05 22:13:11 UTC  

not all collective groups/ religions have been authoritarian @Existence is identity

2018-12-05 22:13:12 UTC  

@Rouqen Like I said if is consistent with the context and doesnt contradict it is correct. This also means it must refer back to context

2018-12-05 22:13:12 UTC  

What also seems to be incompatible is "we all believe in this one God" and non belief

2018-12-05 22:13:29 UTC  

@Coochie coo The difference between modern collectivism and todays is time

2018-12-05 22:13:35 UTC  

*past

2018-12-05 22:13:37 UTC  

I don't believe God has direct control or influence over the Universe or is a conscious being but I nonetheless believe the concept of God to be an extremely important idea that must be upheld, since it serves as unifier to all the dissonant aspects of reality in a way that simply describing it as the Universe cannot.

2018-12-05 22:13:38 UTC  

like the Amish, the Mennonites

2018-12-05 22:13:40 UTC  

just be spiritualist

2018-12-05 22:13:48 UTC  

Not follow a named god

2018-12-05 22:13:56 UTC  

believe in a supreme being

2018-12-05 22:14:01 UTC  

Nameless

2018-12-05 22:14:18 UTC  

>believe in a supreme being
Nah

2018-12-05 22:14:28 UTC  

I am atheist

2018-12-05 22:14:32 UTC  

So I don't care

2018-12-05 22:14:39 UTC  

Either way

2018-12-05 22:14:41 UTC  

The Übermensch?

2018-12-05 22:14:56 UTC  

Ubermensch is a goal more so than a supreme being

2018-12-05 22:15:02 UTC  

yes

2018-12-05 22:15:20 UTC  

or become atheist and and follow the one true individualism

2018-12-05 22:15:26 UTC  

but perhaps it could be met on a individual level?

2018-12-05 22:15:31 UTC  
2018-12-05 22:15:34 UTC  

Feels good

2018-12-05 22:15:35 UTC  

Well that's the idea, yes

2018-12-05 22:15:45 UTC  

Ubermensch is an idea not a metaphysical contradiction in the way that god or an ascended diety is

2018-12-05 22:15:47 UTC  

I also believe the human consciousness to be the closest connection in the Universe to God, and that God is an expression of the shared underlying Human consciousness

2018-12-05 22:15:56 UTC  

@Rouqen yea it does

2018-12-05 22:15:56 UTC  

The Ubermensch is part of Nietzsche's post-God outline, basically

2018-12-05 22:16:25 UTC  

@Dvir Humans still have to correspond to laws of reality

2018-12-05 22:16:39 UTC  

its a concept in the philosophy