Message from @Brant

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2018-12-09 13:54:24 UTC  

quotes don't twist reality

2018-12-09 13:54:27 UTC  

so a Monarchy is technically the most Libertarian form of govt

2018-12-09 13:55:15 UTC  

for the monarch, sure 😛

2018-12-09 13:55:18 UTC  

sounds like you dont understand that there are multiple forms of Monarchy and only accept a single and outdated (by about 400 years) concept of direct rule (whether framed in the terms divine or outright naked force)

2018-12-09 13:55:19 UTC  

Right, except monarchical philosophies of governance do not recognize the will of the governed as the source of their authority.

2018-12-09 13:55:36 UTC  

Rather, the authority of government flows *from* them.

2018-12-09 13:55:37 UTC  

as is appropriate

2018-12-09 13:55:55 UTC  

explains why they cut off the heads of the authority they were displeased with

2018-12-09 13:56:02 UTC  

And, usually, they receive that authority from some divine entity, or are themselves claimed to be divine.

2018-12-09 13:56:05 UTC  

Our current elite hate Populism as well

2018-12-09 13:56:15 UTC  

Well, wasn't him. Was his grandson.

2018-12-09 13:56:29 UTC  

the authority of the government is granted by the people,

If the people think the government should be replaced, they'll either vote it out, or force it out

2018-12-09 13:56:46 UTC  

The issue I see with an elected head of state, or appointed, is that any issue that causes an elected govt to fail would also be a factor on the authority of the head of state .. I.E. the head of state would be a partisan position and authority. With a constitutional monarchy where parliament is the highest authority where it stays within the constitution you avoid that.

2018-12-09 13:56:47 UTC  

Discontent and rebellion is not authority, merely force.

2018-12-09 13:56:54 UTC  

Force does not bestow legitimacy.

2018-12-09 13:56:55 UTC  

and what do people vote for?

2018-12-09 13:57:00 UTC  

immediate gratification

2018-12-09 13:57:03 UTC  

that's what

2018-12-09 13:57:05 UTC  

the bolsheviks disagree

2018-12-09 13:57:16 UTC  

there is no long term vision in a democratic govt

2018-12-09 13:57:30 UTC  

the wh..oh, right.. the ones who ruled for a few months before Lenin and Stalin got rid of them ? ;P

2018-12-09 13:57:43 UTC  

rebellion is taking your support away to the point where you give your support to a new faction

And through the might of the revolutionaries, the sovereignty of the new faction is made to claim the previous rulers

2018-12-09 13:57:48 UTC  

there is that problem with democracy, @AdorableStormtrooper

2018-12-09 13:57:51 UTC  

Force very much does bestow legitimacy

2018-12-09 13:58:05 UTC  

a Democratic Govt rather import millions of foreigners from an incompatible culture to pay for pensions rather than privatize the pension system

2018-12-09 13:58:10 UTC  

but that is largely one driven by poorly informed electorate.

2018-12-09 13:58:29 UTC  

because who cares, I'm out after 8 years, the problems migrants will create is for someone else to deal with

2018-12-09 13:58:50 UTC  

our pension system is mixed, you get a public pension but most people rely on a private scheme , either one they have setup or one the company the work for has setup.

2018-12-09 13:59:00 UTC  

doesn't happen in monarchy, all the problems are for the Monarch to deal with in the future, he ain't got nowhere to run

2018-12-09 13:59:16 UTC  

So, the mightiest has the right to rule by the nature of his might? How bleak.

2018-12-09 13:59:29 UTC  

it is bleak

2018-12-09 13:59:29 UTC  

fuck up the country, end up with your Royal Head on a Stick, in Democracy, nothing ever happens to them

2018-12-09 13:59:35 UTC  

but its how nature is

2018-12-09 13:59:37 UTC  

Merkel is going to be fine

2018-12-09 14:00:27 UTC  

The strongest survive,

The only way to avoid being dethroned, is by being benevolent, so that the moment your power starts declining, people wont try to take over

Or destroy everyone so theres no one left to dethrone you

2018-12-09 14:00:46 UTC  

or pass on your authority to the next

2018-12-09 14:00:58 UTC  

```So, the mightiest has the right to rule by the nature of his might? How bleak.```

it is inevitable, and we should welcome that because the alternative (which is status quo) isn't sustainable

2018-12-09 14:01:31 UTC  

The moment an Alpha gorilla isn't at his peak,

the two 2nd strongest will team up and get rid of him, and establish their own rule (or fight it out)

2018-12-09 14:02:06 UTC  

nah, the way to keep power is to keep the interests underneath you happy, the barons, the aristocracy, in turn the aristocracy must keep their subjects happy

2018-12-09 14:02:13 UTC  

yes

2018-12-09 14:02:22 UTC  

there's a clear sense of hierarchy which isn't based on how much wealth you have