And i dont mean libertarian free will. There is no possible world in which libertarian free will could possibly exist

No I just dislike them

Maybe it would help if I use an example of how I see this argument:
As I have already mentioned, I live in Las Vegas, where it is known for its sex. Under hedonism, the view of sex should be to have it whenever and wherever to the extreme because of how pleasurable it is. Under stoicism, sex should be seen as absolutely abhorrent and should be prohibited at any cost.

@AHeroQuest no. that is NOT the view of hedonism

thats the view of cyrenaics. Its often confused for hedonism @AHeroQuest

Objectivism says to work in your best long term interests

as does hedonism

Hedonism says pursue pleasure

which is your long term interest

allways

No my long term interest is a sustained life

this is why lefties are fucking dumb

One consistent with my values

so youd rather live with the worst pain imaginable for 20 years than happy for 15 years? i rather doubt that

Of course

ms ford presents strong women awards for sports illistrated

she fucking admitted she lied

You are providing a scenario with no context lol

christine ford now hands out strong women awards for sport sillstrated

isnt that a mans magazine

wtf

Pleasure isn't explicitly linked to overall good. Plenty of things we respond to well are bad for us in the long run

isnt sports illustrated originally for men

Blasey-Ford announced that Sports Illustrated’s Inspiration of the Year Award would go to Rachel Denhollander for being the first to expose Nassar,

i wonder if kate upton is a feminist

Pleasure is in most cases a sign or success though @Beemann

@Beemann thats why you DONT do stuff thats bad for you in the long run if you are a hedonist

fucking lying ford is the spokeperson

Further, pain and displeasure avoidance leads to safe space bullshit. The modern "left" could be described, quite easily, as hedonistic

wtf

With the standard being life

thast precisly the point @Beemann

But all great achievements ultimately carry a sort of pain-cost. Is net pleasure not better served by mediocrity?

@Beemann well, religious puritans could ALSO easily be described as hedonistic. Probably the most extreme form

You're going to have to explain that one without redefining several words

Lol

religious puritans sacrifice a LOT in order to avoid infinite pain and gain infinite pleasure. Thats hedonism @Beemann

That's an oversimplification of their overall ideology

Yer a hammer looking for nails here m8

damn Gavvin got de personed

Sacrifice means to give a higher value to a lower one or to a non value