@Misomania Why should we make people suffer for the greater good?

On account of breathing and eating food.

It doesn't make you a pedophile. It just makes you *like* one.

DO the individuals not matter?

@Existence is identity why do you believe all public good MUST be an evil toward all the people?

@Bookworm Nice strawman

That reminds me: Ancaps would do well to research the famines in India under colonial rule.

Uncharitably reframing your argument is a strawman.

K.

Tens of millions of people priced out of the food market.

Free market at work though.

@Existence is identity I believe that it doesnt matter what others think as long as you dont harm their right and are consistent.

you just talked to yourself

Nobody's rights were infringed.

@Existence is identity and why do you think that people putting their OWN interests above all won't cause equal or greater harm long term?

Except the people who had to bury the bodies without compensation.

@Misomania So are you not allowed to have your own interests if they dont benefit others

?

takes a compromise to live in a society, it's not as static black and white as you argue

much more nuanced then you want to see it

^

There is a fundamental moral difference between a man who sees his self-interest in production and a man who sees it in robbery. The evil of a robber does not lie in the fact that he pursues his own interests, but in what he regards as to his own interest; not in the fact that he pursues his values, but in what he chose to value; not in the fact that he wants to live, but in the fact that he wants to live on a subhuman level .

There's a reason why Ancap memes are called strawmen

The United States is not a free market, it's a mixed market economy

for a reason

Do you ask what moral obligation I owe to my fellow men? None—except the obligation I owe to myself, to material objects and to all of existence: rationality. I deal with men as my nature and theirs demands: by means of reason. I seek or desire nothing from them except such relations as they care to enter of their own voluntary choice. It is only with their mind that I can deal and only for my own self-interest, when they see that my interest coincides with theirs. When they don’t, I enter no relationship; I let dissenters go their way and I do not swerve from mine. I win by means of nothing but logic and I surrender to nothing but logic. I do not surrender my reason or deal with men who surrender theirs.

Now he's quoting...

lol

So mans interests dont matter?

voluntarism does not work

Like I said mercy of any group

it never will

"If you disagree with me, you're asking me to deny reason".

Now *that's* a quality strawman.

How is it rational for me to work against my own interests

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Because your nature exists partially outside the individual.

Man is a social animal. His identity is partially communal.

How?

In so much as you are a part of a social whole, you have obligations to that society.

In what way?

if humans are isolated, they go insane