@GoldenPhoenix wrong. Morality needs God to function. The atheistic worldview will never produce a consistent moral system. It’s impossible because of how that worldview works.

hope you have a vpn

No . goverments too busy stealing from tax payers to monitor them

@Salacious Swanky Cat you do know there are religions without gods right?

Pagans ?

Animism

We have ancestor worshippers here

they just believe in Revenge

pagans have deities

you have pagans who dont

believe in elements

consistency is not required, as shown by religious morality failing miserably throughout history

@Grenade123 what is the impersonal absolute that they are based on?

well depends on how you define deity really

yeah

if you see nature as a mother god

There can be morals without religion, I just don't trust the general population to be ready for it atm and who knows when if ever

And then you have those who devide that into Different elements

works for some though

@ExceptionalFeather its not a connected morals

@GoldenPhoenix the failure of man isn’t proof that the scriptures are failures.

quick search tells me i was maybe right on Buddhism

religion did 1 thing is made a universal accepted moral system

and most cases overide cultural morals

no, it's not, but functionally there will be no difference. there will always be deviants who go outside the societal norm

well yes, I am also considering morals without religion probably based on religous morals

Yeas

well, not exactly. Hinduism is the other

if you have individuals who dont have any religion argue over what is right and wrong it could be a endless list

whether religion is involved or not. that doesn't mean that utilitarian morality or other methods are going to be any less effetive

necessarily

@GoldenPhoenix they have already failed.

I have friends who are atheist that never was raised religious didnt care for it but he believed from the dept of his heart hurting others is just bad

Well it helps to right morals down, and perhaps tell stories to help make them easier to understand, maybe do a ritual to help remind when distracted

and i have other friends who saw it differently

oops just created religion

the Aboriginals of australia . . were kindof . . silly

Imagine my shock.



Values differ from group to group.

when the british brought camels to australia the aboriginals added that the gods created that animal . . from so and so reason . . like . . No we brougt it here . . NO the gods made it lol

But there are a lot of things they all agree on...are there justifications for these ideals that don't require religion?

Some central Americans saw Europeans as gods