who am i kidding, us government never learns

In more enlightened societies, like capitalistic countries, it's ethics because you would be responsible for problems within businesses; like lost profits because of a lack of sales.

@GoldenPhoenix no. It shows that the materialistic worldview isn’t complete. It’s incorrect. You can’t establish any morals from a materialistic worldview. That’s the point. Morality is based on what God has commanded.

It's the same principle behind laws requiring driver's licenses and insurance in order to operate a motor vehicle on the roads.

@Walsp well when you jail a group based on ideology, fighting back in the future is probably more possible

Morals were never meant to be with Materialistic usage

Money will always be money

It's about how beneficial it is to society as a whole.

@LittleGiantJ utilitarianism is a failed ideology.

@ExceptionalFeather yes

@Salacious Swanky Cat. How so?

the Word never . you only do NEVER is when money is involved

With anything related to Family or Friends

@Salacious Swanky Cat I agree with you that morality is based in deity, but I'm saying it doesn't have to be. true materialism treats everything as a simulation, and if there's no free will and it's all chemicals, the results will be the same

Not always based on Deity

so Buddhists have no morals?

buddhists?

Morality is not linked to Religion

@LittleGiantJ if utilitarianism is about benefiting the most people, where does that leave the minority? Oppressed. Under utilitarianism, you can’t treat everyone equally.

hindus? one of those indo-china religions has no gods

What is seen as Moral is different culture wide

I believe in absolute morality in conjunct with social morality

some things are universally bad, while others are simply social

i apologize to anyone who happens to practice any of those for my ignorance

too bad Shiva isn't here

do you have freedom of speech ?

i sure as hell dont in my country

anything i said on this discord could end me up in prison

@GoldenPhoenix wrong. Morality needs God to function. The atheistic worldview will never produce a consistent moral system. It’s impossible because of how that worldview works.

hope you have a vpn

No . goverments too busy stealing from tax payers to monitor them

@Salacious Swanky Cat you do know there are religions without gods right?

Pagans ?

Animism

We have ancestor worshippers here

they just believe in Revenge

pagans have deities

you have pagans who dont

believe in elements

consistency is not required, as shown by religious morality failing miserably throughout history

@Grenade123 what is the impersonal absolute that they are based on?