Message from @GoldenPhoenix

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2019-01-02 19:32:21 UTC  

And those who reject their claims

2019-01-02 19:32:26 UTC  

thats it?

2019-01-02 19:32:45 UTC  

well theism is the core belief that there is a deity

2019-01-02 19:32:48 UTC  

are you sure?

2019-01-02 19:32:48 UTC  

that's it

2019-01-02 19:33:06 UTC  

so atheism is a catch all umbrella term for everyone who thinks "there is no such thing as a god"

2019-01-02 19:33:15 UTC  

do all claim gods do not exist? or assert they have not been given evidence that they do

2019-01-02 19:33:35 UTC  

not, necessarily, that they do not exist.

2019-01-02 19:33:36 UTC  

Those who assert there is no evidence are closeted agnostics

2019-01-02 19:33:36 UTC  

you're talking about agnosticism, which is the claim that they don't know

2019-01-02 19:33:43 UTC  

Yeah

2019-01-02 19:33:57 UTC  

the different Catagorys of belief non belief .

2019-01-02 19:34:04 UTC  

and possibility of being wrong

2019-01-02 19:34:11 UTC  

@GoldenPhoenix incorrect, agnosticism is that the knowledge cannot be known.

2019-01-02 19:34:25 UTC  

If it cannot be known how can you then be sure

2019-01-02 19:34:28 UTC  

there is any knowledge

2019-01-02 19:34:31 UTC  

yes, which neither denies nor confirms

2019-01-02 19:34:32 UTC  

its a on the Fence

2019-01-02 19:34:36 UTC  

its not concrete

2019-01-02 19:34:40 UTC  

also some agnostics claim it cannot be known at the current time

2019-01-02 19:34:43 UTC  

which is different

2019-01-02 19:34:47 UTC  

they go hand in hand often, one is do they exist or not, the other is can you know for a fact

2019-01-02 19:34:48 UTC  

its very indecisive position to sit on

2019-01-02 19:35:08 UTC  

Agnosticsim is not knowing or not caring of gods do or don't exist.

2019-01-02 19:35:21 UTC  

you can claim they do not exist but you cannot know for sure. or that you do know for sure

2019-01-02 19:35:25 UTC  

ive been Told Give me proof all the time . but when you say give me proof it doesnt . they are in the same position you are

2019-01-02 19:35:29 UTC  

Taking the stance "we can't prove gods don't exist, but i can't prove they do exist" is " not knowing"

2019-01-02 19:35:44 UTC  

lol

2019-01-02 19:35:49 UTC  

i just said that in a different way

2019-01-02 19:35:51 UTC  

LMAO

2019-01-02 19:35:53 UTC  

god damnit

2019-01-02 19:36:12 UTC  

Alright. Leaving now. We can have this conversation later. 😃

2019-01-02 19:36:14 UTC  

endless ways of interpretation

2019-01-02 19:36:18 UTC  

cheers man

2019-01-02 19:36:20 UTC  

stay safe

2019-01-02 19:36:33 UTC  

DM me if y’all want to.

2019-01-02 19:37:01 UTC  

Give me proof can also be malicious though

2019-01-02 19:37:20 UTC  

anyway, the "I don't touch any kind of claim on religion" method is the agnostic approach, which is perfectly viable in secular education

2019-01-02 19:37:24 UTC  

not actually wanting proof but wanting to dismantle an argument

2019-01-02 19:37:43 UTC  

depends on intentions really