I actually agree with paradox, I drive impaired all the time.
I'm ***not*** a better driver impaired, but i do drive with more care and deliberation.
I would also not drive if i thought i was too impaired.
but the laws cant be written that way.
Laws need to be black and white.

Reckless and careless driving are both charges

Should they be?

Yes

Where's the victim there?

well we're not really talking about what the law is
we're more talking about what the law should be

The people who are hit by people being negligent

But no1 was hit?

It's a preventative law

Right. A victimless law.

I'd rather see laws around cell phone usage.
Much worse than drving drunk, imo

That's like saying you can't arrest someone until they have shot a guy even though there's a gun to the dudes head

Well you couldn't arrest them for murder...

until after they shot him and he died.

You can arrest them for battery

but is there a victim before he pulled the trigger?

Yes

i'd say yes too

Yes. There is a victim.

That's why your little metaphor was bogus.

which metaphor?

How is threatening others on the road with your car not the same

Well you've escalated it

If you drive reckless and threaten others safety by doing so, it's no different

And you should be removed from the road as a result

yeah i think i agree that if you threaten the safety of others, you produce victims

a driver who was nearly hit by a drunk driver, is not a victim of a crash, but a victim of something

I don't agree. Unless the threat is reasonable.

Who determines that

Me. Beings it's my opinion...

That's not how it works

That is how my opinion works and what i agree with or not....

Yes but that doesn't make it inherently true

Why it's my opinion.

well then you agree that a victim is produced if the threat is reasonable at least

yes. I don't necessarily agree on what is considered resaonable

Opinions are not truth though

They are thoughts

if you don't think drunk driving is a reasonable enough threat, i'm not sure i agree, but i can respect that perspective

I think it can be.