You can arrest them for battery

but is there a victim before he pulled the trigger?

Yes

i'd say yes too

Yes. There is a victim.

That's why your little metaphor was bogus.

which metaphor?

How is threatening others on the road with your car not the same

Well you've escalated it

If you drive reckless and threaten others safety by doing so, it's no different

And you should be removed from the road as a result

yeah i think i agree that if you threaten the safety of others, you produce victims

a driver who was nearly hit by a drunk driver, is not a victim of a crash, but a victim of something

I don't agree. Unless the threat is reasonable.

Who determines that

Me. Beings it's my opinion...

That's not how it works

That is how my opinion works and what i agree with or not....

Yes but that doesn't make it inherently true

Why it's my opinion.

well then you agree that a victim is produced if the threat is reasonable at least

yes. I don't necessarily agree on what is considered resaonable

Opinions are not truth though

They are thoughts

if you don't think drunk driving is a reasonable enough threat, i'm not sure i agree, but i can respect that perspective

I think it can be.

I don't think it always is.

yeah i see what you mean

It has to be considered either always a threat or never

What makes someone walking around pointing a loaded gun any people with their finger off the trigger any less of a reasonable threat?
Because its visible? Because you can actually see the threat?

Invisible threats are more dangerous

You can't predict the effects of someone drinking and driving, so you have to consider it to be dangerous if discovered

Well I don't have to...

So what's your proposal

Nothing. We are just talking.

Yes but there has to be a point to the discussion

Nah

the point was if victimless crimes should be considered real crimes

We were talking about legalizing victimless crimes.

since i think putting people at risk produces victims, i stand by my claim that victimless crimes should not be crimes