There's a difference between encouraging motherhood and promoting a narrative that motherhood is the only value a woman has.

@Beyr agreed

I do believe women have more roles tho

peterson is right about a lot of things and wrong about a few things

It seems to me, many people who encourage motherhood are accused of 'devaluing' a woman to that being their only value, which makes people encouraging it villainized.

@Montgomereeeee being free makes it worse. Why would they make it worthwhile and beneficial to you if they don't have to justify the cost?

Traditional marriage works well because a system of sexual division of labor is ingrained evolutionarily by sexual dimorphism.

Thet are extremly charismatic and can have a Lot of empathy

@Misomania is that a comment on free will

In my view a woman has a choice to make, she can dedicate herself to her own life's pursuits or to her children. She can try to thread the needle and do both, but she'll probably fail.

Or she can adopt

Same for a father @ThreeOfOne

@Montgomereeeee no. It's that they don't have to appeal to people by making the value you get out of it justify the cost of it (taxpayer end)

You can do anything, just not everything

After old

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIWbyE1Af8Y

I think a woman can pursue interests in addition to childrearing; however, if a woman chooses to be a mother she should make that a priority. How making that a priority 'looks' for each family unit may be different.

Well I’m actually against that system @Misomania

It was meant as joke

Unless we manage to extend our life spawn to 300 years in that point

A bit of sarcasm

@Montgomereeeee Yep, and that's why I'll probably never be a father 😉

I don't think it's a stretch to say that motherhood is the highest calling most women can have. The vast majority of women in the workforce are not in elite roles.

For instance, motherhood at infancy compared to when children are 15, is vastly different.

Oh god the horrors of existencial dread

>responsibility
>AGH IT BURNS

@devpav it's not. What else can a women do that will extend past her own death over having kids, who have kids, etc

The roles are different, the functions of the parent for both father and mother aredifferent.

@ThreeOfOne I’m a bit conflicted on the idea of becoming a father

>.>... use eye tracker and try to not look at boobs in videos.

>.>... you will fail.

I'm not sure I wanna throw a life away that I have still managed to not live

@devpav keeping society and humans in existance instead of leaving the planet an empty graveyard seems rather important to me

Legacy can come in more ways than children @Misomania

@Montgomereeeee if everyone dies what legacy is there?

Exactly, motherhood is the only claim to legacy available to most women.

@devpav I think it also depends, there are some women I would not want to be a mother. I think they're trash people, and building a framework that this is what they should aspire to is a mistake. Granted, taking these people out of the equation - I would think most women would see motherhood as a higher calling.

True but for example Hitler had his legacy (not a good one) without children

his legacy is held in the legacy of those that had children

But yes reproducing is important

I kinda get the sense most women don't want to be mothers, they want the ideas of those things, though I'm sure you'd probably heard similar sentiments echoed