Message from @Kelz
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@CasualSailor Yes it does matter......Stalin killed people who he thought were betraying him and killing people for reasons such as self defense etc is a big difference from genociding people based on nothing but their race
Can you do the whole saving thing again? @Khanclansith
"Joseph Stalin, leader of the Soviet Union, set in motion events designed to cause a famine in the Ukraine to destroy the people there seeking independence from his rule. As a result, an estimated 7,000,000 persons perished in this farming area, known as the breadbasket of Europe, with the people deprived of the food they had grown with their own hands."
stalin saw all living beings as betraying him
Hitler thought Jews were betraying him
I hate the "who is worse" debates, it's like middle school Batman vs superman arguments.
@Misomania I said all things being euqal
Herbert Hover of all people orgnized the releif efforts of American Private Charities
So if you are justifying stalin on those grounds you are absolving Hitler
@Kelz That's pretty warped thinking. So, if I murder you to steal your wallet it is somehow better than if I murder you because of your race? I don't think so. This kind of thinking is why I don't believe in "hate crimes." All murders are "hate crimes." Otherwise they are call manslaughter.
I cant have like 10 convos...lets slow this down
so because Stalin thought that people were betraying him it makes it less bad for him to have killed millions of people? @Kelz
@Kelz remember they signed a peace treaty? Do you know why germany broke that truce? because he knew a fellow mass murdering psychopath when he saw one and knew it was simply a matter of whom backstabbed the other first. He saw himself in stalin and knew that stalin saw himself in hitler
Perhaps if you framed the original question differently
Seems like a poisoned mind eroded from severe digestion of identity politics.
its not about who is morally worse
Seriously lets all slow down
go ahead
Their were like 10 points being made
I tagged you in mine so it would be easier for you to see them
felt like there was a lot going on lol
please don't use ellipses like this...
no one has any points , stya black
I was contributing to the chaos. Sorry.
Put aside Hitler and Stalin............My basic argument you that the reasons you kill someone make a difference
not really
I disagree with that
unless it's provable self-defense
does it matter much to the khmer rouge victims?
or defense of others
If you get in an accident and kill someone vs killing someone because they are purely white is different
Ok so, let me ask my question. If I murder you to steal your wallet is that less immoral than if I murder you because I hate you?
intentional killing
not accidental
or the serbians? or the armenians? or the dafur region?
@CasualSailor Let me ask you something; If you get in an accident and kill someone vs killing someone because they are purely white is different
let me rephrase my statement. MURDER is wrong regardless of context