so because Stalin thought that people were betraying him it makes it less bad for him to have killed millions of people? @Kelz

@Kelz remember they signed a peace treaty? Do you know why germany broke that truce? because he knew a fellow mass murdering psychopath when he saw one and knew it was simply a matter of whom backstabbed the other first. He saw himself in stalin and knew that stalin saw himself in hitler

Perhaps if you framed the original question differently

Seems like a poisoned mind eroded from severe digestion of identity politics.

its not about who is morally worse

Seriously lets all slow down

and take this one at time

go ahead

Their were like 10 points being made

I tagged you in mine so it would be easier for you to see them

felt like there was a lot going on lol

please don't use ellipses like this...

no one has any points , stya black

I was contributing to the chaos. Sorry.

Put aside Hitler and Stalin............My basic argument you that the reasons you kill someone make a difference

not really

I disagree with that

unless it's provable self-defense

does it matter much to the khmer rouge victims?

or defense of others

If you get in an accident and kill someone vs killing someone because they are purely white is different

Ok so, let me ask my question. If I murder you to steal your wallet is that less immoral than if I murder you because I hate you?

intentional killing

not accidental

or the serbians? or the armenians? or the dafur region?

@CasualSailor Let me ask you something; If you get in an accident and kill someone vs killing someone because they are purely white is different

let me rephrase my statement. MURDER is wrong regardless of context

what about when the shining path slaughter entire villages to make a point to not interfere with their drug trade?

killing can be accidental

@Kelz Is an accidental killing as immoral as a deliberate murder? Is that your question?

or when mexican police collude with drug gangs to murder entire buses full of college students and bury them in a landfill?

I'm waiting for this get into primitivism

how bad would shit be if Germany wan maaaannn

Murder is a matter of law not morality.

any cases where someone intentionally kills another person is bad

@EndangeredProdigy Is a communist a murderer if 100 million of his people die due to failed communist goals of central planning? Even if (Bernie Sanders) thought that we could all be happier with communism.......If 100 million people died through waste and failed government planning (Starvation, Lack of medicine etc.) Is that the same as 100 million jews being killed by an evil dictator who hated the way they looked?

It really depends on where the morality comes from.

Nah. When I am defending myself, the goal is to kill the person and save myself.

you're framing the question @Kelz

@Marcus_Summers probably better, lower population count, less man-made pollution, no currency issues, EU non-existent, Communism, non-existent.

Or it could be worse.