Message from @Kelz
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Stalin starved them on purpose
it wasn't an accident
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When you are taking about tens and hundreds of thousands dead does it matter who is worse?
It was the Americans that tried to save the Ukranians
They are both abhorrent
Thank you Americans
We are saved
@CasualSailor Yes it does matter......Stalin killed people who he thought were betraying him and killing people for reasons such as self defense etc is a big difference from genociding people based on nothing but their race
Can you do the whole saving thing again? @Khanclansith
"Joseph Stalin, leader of the Soviet Union, set in motion events designed to cause a famine in the Ukraine to destroy the people there seeking independence from his rule. As a result, an estimated 7,000,000 persons perished in this farming area, known as the breadbasket of Europe, with the people deprived of the food they had grown with their own hands."
stalin saw all living beings as betraying him
Hitler thought Jews were betraying him
I hate the "who is worse" debates, it's like middle school Batman vs superman arguments.
@Misomania I said all things being euqal
Herbert Hover of all people orgnized the releif efforts of American Private Charities
So if you are justifying stalin on those grounds you are absolving Hitler
@Kelz That's pretty warped thinking. So, if I murder you to steal your wallet it is somehow better than if I murder you because of your race? I don't think so. This kind of thinking is why I don't believe in "hate crimes." All murders are "hate crimes." Otherwise they are call manslaughter.
so because Stalin thought that people were betraying him it makes it less bad for him to have killed millions of people? @Kelz
@Kelz remember they signed a peace treaty? Do you know why germany broke that truce? because he knew a fellow mass murdering psychopath when he saw one and knew it was simply a matter of whom backstabbed the other first. He saw himself in stalin and knew that stalin saw himself in hitler
Perhaps if you framed the original question differently
Seems like a poisoned mind eroded from severe digestion of identity politics.
its not about who is morally worse
Seriously lets all slow down
and take this one at time
go ahead
Their were like 10 points being made
I tagged you in mine so it would be easier for you to see them
felt like there was a lot going on lol
please don't use ellipses like this...
no one has any points , stya black
I was contributing to the chaos. Sorry.
Put aside Hitler and Stalin............My basic argument you that the reasons you kill someone make a difference
not really
I disagree with that
unless it's provable self-defense
does it matter much to the khmer rouge victims?
or defense of others