Message from @Oceanic

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2020-02-22 04:13:31 UTC  

Because babies start off completely open to impression. How they turn out is at the free will of the parents or guardians.

2020-02-22 04:14:10 UTC  

Generally, anyway.

2020-02-22 04:14:23 UTC  

Eh I dont think free will is real - we make decisions based on our situation and previous experiences

2020-02-22 04:14:37 UTC  

Agreed. Cause and effect.

2020-02-22 04:14:41 UTC  

Sure...but whose to say that *isn't* free will?

2020-02-22 04:14:46 UTC  

exactly

2020-02-22 04:15:03 UTC  

Free doesn't always require the same connotation.

2020-02-22 04:15:13 UTC  

Nobody, but that is how we make decisions

2020-02-22 04:15:19 UTC  

Evidently, many arguments stem out of a disagreement on definition.

2020-02-22 04:15:30 UTC  

Yep

2020-02-22 04:15:46 UTC  

It’s not random, it’s chaos. Chaos is still predictable. If I knew every function of your brain and the events that would affect your life, I could accurately predict a decision of yours.

2020-02-22 04:16:18 UTC  

^

2020-02-22 04:16:21 UTC  

Yes

2020-02-22 04:16:37 UTC  

IMO Free Will isn't whether choices stem from a collective functioning of one's self, but rather if one can act against a particular stimuli at a particular time, regardless of what it may be.

2020-02-22 04:16:45 UTC  

Oh man, one of my favorite concepts...

2020-02-22 04:16:47 UTC  

I see what you're saying, but that pattern of decision making could have gone any which way in the development process.

2020-02-22 04:16:48 UTC  

Psychohistory

2020-02-22 04:17:11 UTC  

Isaac Asimov wrote about it as a fundamental premise to his Sci-Fi series

2020-02-22 04:17:14 UTC  

Very good books

2020-02-22 04:17:31 UTC  

oh interesting

2020-02-22 04:17:45 UTC  

Drew, as you said, people are impressionable. If I knew the events that would occur, I could tell you which way that development would go.

2020-02-22 04:19:03 UTC  

Psychohistory, if you are curious, is this idea that while individuals themselves are quite complex and intricate beings, a 'mob' of people become infinitely more predictable and patternistic in their behavior. Meaning that within a certain margin of error, you can calculate probabilities of eventual outcomes by deducing the actions of a mass.

2020-02-22 04:19:28 UTC  

The one caveat being, that if an individual has enough tenacity to dramatically alter history, they can throw off the balance of said calculations.

2020-02-22 04:19:41 UTC  

And that is the fundamental story idea in the Foundation Trilogy

2020-02-22 04:19:57 UTC  

Nothing is random, (except the decay chance of a radioactive isotope with a 50/50 half life, which is why it’s used in the thought experiment of Schrödinger’s cat.)

2020-02-22 04:20:18 UTC  

Evidently, Schrodinger's Cat isn't exactly random either.

2020-02-22 04:20:21 UTC  

Nor is it prior

2020-02-22 04:20:28 UTC  

It exists as a Superposition of two eventualities

2020-02-22 04:20:51 UTC  

Where, the deduction and measurement of those forces the collision of one or the other.

2020-02-22 04:20:56 UTC  

Which requires true randomness for that superposition to take effect.

2020-02-22 04:21:34 UTC  

Well, a certain degree of randomness

2020-02-22 04:21:39 UTC  

More of a range of possibility

2020-02-22 04:21:45 UTC  

Or of potential outcomes

2020-02-22 04:21:54 UTC  

The range of solutions to a superposition

2020-02-22 05:17:53 UTC  

Consciousness pervades all energy and matter

2020-02-22 05:20:47 UTC  

oof

2020-02-22 06:25:13 UTC  

Here I'll sum it up: The second trumpet was the black death - one third of the "seas" which is humanity was purged. Then the second angel pored out his bowl on the sea, and it became blood as of a dead man; and every living creature in the sea died. (This is what we're about to face) The body will not be saved, but the soul may be if you do not place faith in the beast.

2020-02-22 06:30:56 UTC  

And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

2020-02-22 07:18:50 UTC  

Uh what