i want the same for the small satellites that you claimed were there, no pictures please that's not enough evidence for me

So I did see the iss

yes, no caps is where it's at

the iss

Wait you want a government funded tracking website to show you the location of a satellite?

Feel free to send an inquiry to Vandebergh

https://www.cloudynights.com/uploads/monthly_02_2009/post-18315-14072912098602_thumb.jpg

@TheNidhugg if you claim that it's real and it exists then we should be able to observe it, all i got was pictures from astronomers which i have no idea of know they are real or not. what i can know is real is if i can observe it through me own telescope

yes and congratulations on being scammed by thinking that is was the International Space Station @TheNidhugg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA-224 this has the orbital inclination, which can be overlaid on a map to show where the satellite is

What is stopping you from observing it?

Which is how we determined it was Key Hole

In the first place

Appreciate it, Trump

Step 1: get telescope step 2: observe it?

Nothing is stopping me

what makes you think something is stopping me from observing it?

Then go for it, find a clear night first though.

Usually that helps a ton.

@TheNidhugg i'm talking about the small satellites, have you ever observed them?

important thing is that there is no measurable curve, earth remains flat and stationery. if they had a $150 billion budget then i assume they can run out a u2 spy plane with a hologram to depict the iss, there's also time to refuel it (night time when there is no lunar phase present)

I havent tried, I might need something bigger than my 8" thkugh

Astronomical Twilight is best for observing the sky

Indeed.

Though other times could work too

yes

It is a beautiful hobby though

That's a lot of resources spent... what is the reasoning for them doing all that?

I used to have a telescope but it was like $60, ancient, and broken

it's a hell of a lot cheaper

Why bother claiming there is an ISS at all

They spend all these billions on faking and projecting things

isn't it a lot cheaper?

To get more billions?

Margin of profit seems small

have you seen the iss livestreams? complete fakery

Why not just open up a lemonade stand?

small? you call billions small okay

you must be extremely rich?

Billions in expenditure

to think that billions is small