Message from @Joe The Communist

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2020-03-18 00:34:17 UTC  

Cheapening labour is the opposite of populism

2020-03-18 00:34:22 UTC  

urban improvemnt+ jobs

2020-03-18 00:34:31 UTC  

Steam engine takes away jobs short term

2020-03-18 00:34:36 UTC  

That's the point

2020-03-18 00:34:39 UTC  

It's a labour saving device

2020-03-18 00:34:54 UTC  

Means less labour

2020-03-18 00:35:20 UTC  

it would very fast create factory jobs

2020-03-18 00:35:23 UTC  

It'd require basically a long reigning Ceasar to have a weird fascination with steam engines and metallurgy

2020-03-18 00:35:25 UTC  

No it wouldn't

2020-03-18 00:35:39 UTC  

And before it did that it'd unemploy thousands

2020-03-18 00:36:08 UTC  

they could replace slav labor jobs but that would not be profitable

2020-03-18 00:36:17 UTC  

Yes

2020-03-18 00:36:24 UTC  

unless the plebs rallied to remove slavery so they could have farming jobd

2020-03-18 00:36:35 UTC  

That'd be put down

2020-03-18 00:36:41 UTC  

The patricians would never tolerate it

2020-03-18 00:36:58 UTC  

And would tell the plebs that the slaves will take the pleb jobs

2020-03-18 00:37:11 UTC  

Also job shortages weren't a massive problem in Rome till near the end

2020-03-18 00:37:41 UTC  

so it would just hasten the collaspe of rome

2020-03-18 00:38:00 UTC  

holy shit

2020-03-18 00:38:07 UTC  

There's no plausible way for Rome to do it unless a time traveller came from the future and became Ceasar

2020-03-18 00:38:13 UTC  

ik exactly what caused Rome to fal

2020-03-18 00:38:15 UTC  

And just pushed industrialisation for 20 years

2020-03-18 00:38:30 UTC  

Heron of Alexandria

2020-03-18 00:38:38 UTC  

the steam engine came into be

2020-03-18 00:38:49 UTC  

if that rich dude put the engine on a wheel

2020-03-18 00:38:57 UTC  

Steam engine was never in wide use during Roman Empire

2020-03-18 00:39:04 UTC  

then something would habe happened

2020-03-18 00:39:09 UTC  

IF

2020-03-18 00:40:56 UTC  

Wait, weren't water and air mills used extensively until the Middle Ages?

2020-03-18 00:41:33 UTC  

Putting a steam engine in a mill would not be that huge of a possibility, contrary to wheels.

2020-03-18 00:50:51 UTC  

Rome would need an easier way to create metal parts before steam could be common

2020-03-18 01:40:46 UTC  

^^ this

2020-03-18 02:52:28 UTC  

^^^

2020-03-18 08:15:20 UTC  

going back to the question, I think Rome would expand until it hit natural borders or some other big empire.
Maybe some other groups would copy the steam engine like China.

2020-03-18 13:18:34 UTC  

Augustus wanted to expand the Empire northwise, civilize the German barbarians, and leave the borders at Rhine and Danube.

2020-03-18 13:18:44 UTC  

But he failed, because that was too much of a task, even for him.

2020-03-18 14:57:49 UTC  

That's a weird question because there was no reason for Rome to use labor-saving devices like the steam engine, because they could just have tons of slaves. And it's not because of the institution of slavery that the steam engine could not be implemented; rather the institution of slavery existed because the technologies needed to use these devices in a productive manner did not exist. The steam engine was reinvented in 1700 AD, but it was not put into use until 100 or 150 or so years after that, at which point technology had advanced sufficiently.

2020-03-18 17:32:10 UTC  

^this
I think there were various societies that invented them but slavery was cheaper.
Due to the funny trinket thing they never came up with idea to build stuff like steam vehicles like steam ships or steam cars.

2020-03-19 00:42:08 UTC  

@everyone Daily Question 🔖
What ultimately lead to the Roman Empire’s downfall?

2020-03-19 00:42:16 UTC  

Ok

2020-03-19 00:42:17 UTC  

So