Message from @Shaun

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2020-03-18 00:32:39 UTC  

Trains

2020-03-18 00:32:40 UTC  

Needs way more investment

2020-03-18 00:32:43 UTC  

They'd develop trains

2020-03-18 00:32:48 UTC  

That could save the empire

2020-03-18 00:33:00 UTC  

Same with long distance rapid communication

2020-03-18 00:33:12 UTC  

If they develop trains then the empire would be bigger and more unified

2020-03-18 00:33:14 UTC  

And centralised industrial weapon production

2020-03-18 00:33:15 UTC  

if rome began to industrialize the working class would begin to hold factory jobs while the slaves worked the countryside

2020-03-18 00:33:15 UTC  

Yes

2020-03-18 00:33:30 UTC  

With who's money?

2020-03-18 00:33:33 UTC  

in our timeline the agricultural innovation came first

2020-03-18 00:33:49 UTC  

but for rome

2020-03-18 00:33:53 UTC  

Every wealthy person in Rome had money in plantations or political ambitions

2020-03-18 00:34:00 UTC  

in our situation

2020-03-18 00:34:06 UTC  

Grand urban improvement projects were populist projects to gain political power

2020-03-18 00:34:07 UTC  

would devolp steam first

2020-03-18 00:34:17 UTC  

Cheapening labour is the opposite of populism

2020-03-18 00:34:22 UTC  

urban improvemnt+ jobs

2020-03-18 00:34:31 UTC  

Steam engine takes away jobs short term

2020-03-18 00:34:36 UTC  

That's the point

2020-03-18 00:34:39 UTC  

It's a labour saving device

2020-03-18 00:34:54 UTC  

Means less labour

2020-03-18 00:35:20 UTC  

it would very fast create factory jobs

2020-03-18 00:35:23 UTC  

It'd require basically a long reigning Ceasar to have a weird fascination with steam engines and metallurgy

2020-03-18 00:35:25 UTC  

No it wouldn't

2020-03-18 00:35:39 UTC  

And before it did that it'd unemploy thousands

2020-03-18 00:36:08 UTC  

they could replace slav labor jobs but that would not be profitable

2020-03-18 00:36:17 UTC  

Yes

2020-03-18 00:36:24 UTC  

unless the plebs rallied to remove slavery so they could have farming jobd

2020-03-18 00:36:35 UTC  

That'd be put down

2020-03-18 00:36:41 UTC  

The patricians would never tolerate it

2020-03-18 00:36:58 UTC  

And would tell the plebs that the slaves will take the pleb jobs

2020-03-18 00:37:11 UTC  

Also job shortages weren't a massive problem in Rome till near the end

2020-03-18 00:37:41 UTC  

so it would just hasten the collaspe of rome

2020-03-18 00:38:00 UTC  

holy shit

2020-03-18 00:38:07 UTC  

There's no plausible way for Rome to do it unless a time traveller came from the future and became Ceasar

2020-03-18 00:38:13 UTC  

ik exactly what caused Rome to fal

2020-03-18 00:38:15 UTC  

And just pushed industrialisation for 20 years

2020-03-18 00:38:30 UTC  

Heron of Alexandria

2020-03-18 00:38:38 UTC  

the steam engine came into be

2020-03-18 00:38:49 UTC  

if that rich dude put the engine on a wheel