But yeah "anti-fragility" (modern Stoicism movement?) politics is totally spot on in my mind and is why I am close to a free-speech absolutist

@Ater Votum based

To be honest, I don't really like the way that many Stoic philosophers connect Stoicism with the Divine, although such connection is very well justified. The reason why I am a Stoic myself is because of the benefits that come with it, in real life, and even in the modern world, which is a world of image and fragility. And I also believe that Stoicism should be involved with parenting, especially in the modern times, due to what a jungle the modern world is. It is important for the child to be tough, and to realize that in order to survive out there, it needs to go through pain, not avoid it, but see it as a challenge. One of the many goals of humanity is to achieve eternal happiness, which may never be achieved, but through Stoicism, fragility and unhappiness are eradicated completely.

And yet there are some uneducated, irrational individuals, who claim that Stoicism is a synonym for masochism, and that it should be avoided.

That is simply disgraceful.

When your affirmation for life is contingent on materials outside your body (such as wealth, attention, or drugs), then if you are deprived of that material then you can no longer affirm life

> If you are distressed by anything external, the pain is not due to the thing itself, but to your estimate of it; and this you have the power to revoke at any moment.
-Marcus Aurelius.

The one who affirms their life through being virtuous can never be willingly deprived of their joy.

Based.

You shouldn't keep emotions under wraps

bottling up emotions is one of the worse things you can do

stoicism isnt about "bottling up emotions" lmao

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that is exactly what it is, hiding your emotions

Stoicism is about facing and enduring pain.

Which is unhealthy

How?

everyone deals with pain differently

Obviously.

But Stoicism is the best way to deal with pain, in my opinion.

maybe in your case

Kinda right not everyone does

Stoicism might seem unhealthy at an X moment, but when in a Y moment, you face pain again, you're stronger, you can face the pain more easily and not let it affect you, so in the long-term, it's healthy. @moira

Not exactly

everyone deals with pain differently

some people deal with it better by talking to people

some people deal with it better by shutting themselves in

it really depends on the person

if you can hide your emotions and pain then good for you

but not everyone is like you

Yeah okay, nobody's saying that everyone should be a Stoic.

But Stoicism should be involved with parenting, since the child is taught how to deal with pain.

you literally promoted it for parenting

Yes.

when dealing with pain in a child, it is best to sit them down and talk with them about it

now of course they shouldn't be a crybaby

but you can't just tell them to lock it all up

Children, when they are young, don't know how to control their emotions. Stoicism, in my opinion, is the best way to control your emotions, because of how it can help you in the long-term.

Stoicism isn't about bottling emotions.

It's about facing them.

there are multiple ways to face them