Message from @moira

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2020-03-08 21:14:29 UTC  

it's about dealing with them in a healthy and/or productive way

2020-03-08 21:14:46 UTC  

like when you're angry you can either punch the guy that pissed you off in the face

2020-03-08 21:14:47 UTC  

Stop repeating its "locking up emotions" when we've already said 3 times that that's not what it is

2020-03-08 21:14:48 UTC  

or fix problem

2020-03-08 21:14:56 UTC  

No no, Stoicism does not involve locking up emotions.

2020-03-08 21:15:22 UTC  

think of walking the dog when he's whining instead of locking him up in a cage

2020-03-08 21:15:22 UTC  

The lack of display of pain is a product of facing pain, which comes naturally. Thus it's not forced.

2020-03-08 21:15:39 UTC  

@Ronin Bad example, ngl

2020-03-08 21:15:55 UTC  

it is literally keeping your emotions to yourself

2020-03-08 21:15:59 UTC  

this

2020-03-08 21:16:03 UTC  

you are locking them to yourself

2020-03-08 21:16:15 UTC  

a stoic person is still angry but doesn't directly act on it

2020-03-08 21:16:22 UTC  

also your wrong you can face pain while displaying it

2020-03-08 21:16:39 UTC  

No, that comes through facing the pain, it comes naturally. It's not forced, it comes naturally.

2020-03-08 21:17:03 UTC  

Stop saying that Stoicism is about bottling emotions, That's clearly not what Stoicism is about.

2020-03-08 21:17:39 UTC  

that is not what I said that time

2020-03-08 21:18:03 UTC  

> you are locking them to yourself
@moira

2020-03-08 21:18:38 UTC  

hold brb

2020-03-08 21:18:46 UTC  

👍

2020-03-08 21:19:35 UTC  

ok am back

2020-03-08 21:19:39 UTC  

anyway

2020-03-08 21:19:57 UTC  

by the definition of stoicism, "The endurance of pain or hardship without the display of emotions and without complain"

2020-03-08 21:20:04 UTC  

that sounds exactly like bottling them up

2020-03-08 21:20:18 UTC  

that doesn't even sound like facing emotions

2020-03-08 21:23:18 UTC  

Okay first of all, that definition isn't entirely true, because a Stoic starts off by facing his pain instead of avoiding it. So every time he is in pain, he faces it. Now the more you do that, the more insignificant the pain is to you. And the more insignificant the pain becomes to you, your need to display your emotions becomes insignificant as well. And that's the point where Stoicism says that, when pain is insignificant to you, and you don't need to display it, then you just don't display it.

2020-03-08 21:23:38 UTC  

That isn't bottling up emotions, because it's like bottling up air - bottling up something you don't care for

2020-03-08 21:23:39 UTC  
2020-03-08 21:24:10 UTC  

part of being human is feeling pain

2020-03-08 21:24:10 UTC  

It basically becomes kind of like your "comfort zone"

2020-03-08 21:24:19 UTC  

its not about being numb to pain dude lol

2020-03-08 21:24:21 UTC  

pain is an important learning tool

2020-03-08 21:24:27 UTC  

Its not about becoming numb to it

2020-03-08 21:24:47 UTC  

it is irresponsible to just throw it out the window and disregard it

2020-03-08 21:24:51 UTC  

When it becomes your comfort zone, you're numb to it.

2020-03-08 21:24:56 UTC  

@moira Why?

2020-03-08 21:24:59 UTC  

Not necessarily

2020-03-08 21:25:01 UTC  

Pain isn't necessary.

2020-03-08 21:25:59 UTC  

pain is what connects us to other people, when people are in pain they grow closer

2020-03-08 21:26:08 UTC  

It's just that you know what to do when you're in such a situation, instead of whining about it and being the virgin man of inaction, you know how to "get thru it"

2020-03-08 21:26:13 UTC  

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2020-03-08 21:26:31 UTC  

it is inhuman to just "not feel pain"