Stop saying that Stoicism is about bottling emotions, That's clearly not what Stoicism is about.

that is not what I said that time

> you are locking them to yourself
@moira

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by the definition of stoicism, "The endurance of pain or hardship without the display of emotions and without complain"

that sounds exactly like bottling them up

that doesn't even sound like facing emotions

Okay first of all, that definition isn't entirely true, because a Stoic starts off by facing his pain instead of avoiding it. So every time he is in pain, he faces it. Now the more you do that, the more insignificant the pain is to you. And the more insignificant the pain becomes to you, your need to display your emotions becomes insignificant as well. And that's the point where Stoicism says that, when pain is insignificant to you, and you don't need to display it, then you just don't display it.

That isn't bottling up emotions, because it's like bottling up air - bottling up something you don't care for

@moira

part of being human is feeling pain

It basically becomes kind of like your "comfort zone"

its not about being numb to pain dude lol

pain is an important learning tool

Its not about becoming numb to it

it is irresponsible to just throw it out the window and disregard it

When it becomes your comfort zone, you're numb to it.

@moira Why?

Not necessarily

Pain isn't necessary.

pain is what connects us to other people, when people are in pain they grow closer

It's just that you know what to do when you're in such a situation, instead of whining about it and being the virgin man of inaction, you know how to "get thru it"

it is inhuman to just "not feel pain"

Why connect through pain when you can connect eith other people through many other virtues that don't even harm you?

@Sentient23 True, perhaps I didn't put it right, but personally if I know how to deal with pain, after so many times that I've been in such situations, I'm sort of numb to it. Not entirely, of course, but the more you deal with it, the less it affects you.

Yeah I'd agree with that

when you feel pain you can help relate to other people in your same circumstance

That's unnecessary.

Not necessarily a good thing since you can’t connect to people

If you need a connection with one or more people, then connect through other virtues.

The point of stoicism is that you won't really need that "emotional comfort" when you get in such a situation

From a Christian standpoint, you most likely won’t get into heaven if you can’t connect to people

How are you going to enjoy life with others if you don’t understand basic sympathy

1. I never said that connection with people is entirely excluded, you can connect with them on other levels
2. that is just entirely false. This would mean psychopaths are doomed to eternal torture just by virtue of being what they are, which they didn't choose

Connection can be made through other virtues as well, not just pain. And having sympathy is normal for a Stoic, since he's been there. He can actually give advice to the person currently in pain, because he's become an expert in dealing with pain.

I never said psychopaths can’t go to heaven

You said that by virtue of being unable to "connect with people", they won't be able to get to heaven