So don't strawman me again weakling

woah we bringing out the personal insults

Yes because you strawmaned me

Here let me do it again. You're a weakling for strawmaning me instead of addressing my actual argument

So, you gonna address the actual argument now, or what?

those two ideas go hand in hand

you need to justify the morality of something in order to see something as moral

No they don't. I know fascist atheists who are moral in terms of how they act. And yet they still can't justify their morality

No

That's obviously incorrect

i am saying that that was not a strawman

And I'm saying it was a strawman because i never said you cant be moral without god

Being moral means acting out in a moral manner

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1889186116300385

The results of what we've seen of treatment to rapists and sex offenders offer positive results as the reduction rates can be over a dozen or higher with just limited attention to these programs

Many people act out in a moral manner and yet can't justify it

Meaning the reduction will rise with the ability to concentrate more on these methods

I bet if you ask someone who's 80 iq a deeply philosophical question about why what he does is moral, he wouldn't really be able to justify it, now would he

Meaning the prison system as it stands doesn't stop rapists as much as even the low standard limited treatment does

Cool but that’s not the point

It is the point

People justify their morality based on their “right and wrong”

I'm demonstrating how they don't go hand it hand

That’s based on what they’ve heard and their empathy

Thats emotions

Irrelevant? Stop shifting the goal post. Do you now agree after what I said, that acting our in a moral manner doesn't necessitate knowing why your morality is good?

You don’t need to bring iq into it is what i meant

Yes I agree

But I’m saying that you can justify morality based on your emotions

If you feel pity for someone because they’re crying, then you should think what made them cry is bad

No wait hold on a second

I won't let you get out of that one bucko

So you agree that you did in fact strawman me, as I never once said that atheists cannot be moral?

Imagine not understanding that morality can work without religion

Simply because I said it doesn’t mean it’s wrong

Its a yes or no question kiddo

Very simple. Or is your ego obstructing you from admitting that you mischaracterized my position?

Are you really going to prevent the argument from moving forward because of a mistake in what I said

Oh no I'm not preventing it from moving on. I'm demanding you admit you made the mistake by strawmaning me. If your ego is obstructing you from conceding such a MINOR point, why the hell would I assume you would be genuine enough to consede some MAJOR point?

> Are you really going to prevent the argument from moving forward because of a mistake in what I said
@moira

Conceded it was a mistake.

Indirectly. Say it directly. Say I admit i strawmaned you