There is no Pope right now

I'm a sedevacantist

could you explain to me

@Eoppa Why has no one bothered to eleect a real pope

when the current clergy became illegitimate

and by what action

this is what i don't get

Vatican II

Atleast during the anti pope era they had the balls to have a real claimed pope

and what decision there goes against catholic doctrine

That's because only the Pope was anathema back then

@Maksim there are some illegitimate splinter catholic churches around today

@Draško salvation outside the church, baptism of desire, invalidated the mass, etc

So why have you not formed an entirely new clergy outside Vatican or just occupy Vatican

how is salvation outside the church non-doctrinal?

Because there are still valid hierarchies

It was infallibly declared heretical

when

This is where Catholics fuck up

"you can't be saved if ur not Catholic"

The amount of ego in that sentence

Oof

it makes sense

what i'm talking about here are people who don't know Christ

Orthodox also believe that there is no salvation outside the church

Define no salvation outside the church

but people who don't know and don't comprehend the Church can be saved

that's the ortho position

```Pope Leo XII (A.D. 1823 – 1829): “We profess that there is no salvation outside the Church. …For the Church is the pillar and ground of the truth. With reference to those words Augustine says: `If any man be outside the Church he will be excluded from the number of sons, and will not have God for Father since he has not the Church for mother.'” (Encyclical, Ubi Primum)```

catholics believe that absolutely nobody outside the church can be saved

It's one of the most defined doctrines

Muh history

bro.......

stop being a lutheran

@Draško cringe

the bible you're using was compiled by people in the fourth century

was that not history?

So?

how is that not history

You're appealing to history as well Maksim

I literally just said I don't accept history as a legitimate argument for faith