Message from @Draško

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2020-02-03 21:02:43 UTC  

But it needs the physical

2020-02-03 21:02:50 UTC  

Why

2020-02-03 21:02:52 UTC  

Think Aristotelian forms for something similar

2020-02-03 21:03:00 UTC  

Why does it need a form

2020-02-03 21:03:08 UTC  

The soul is your form

2020-02-03 21:03:12 UTC  

Why can't it exist in an "aetherial" state

2020-02-03 21:03:32 UTC  

Because that's heretical first of all, second of all, then there is no point to it

2020-02-03 21:04:01 UTC  

Commiting mortal sin stains your soul, your essence, and excludes you from unification with the divine essence

2020-02-03 21:04:22 UTC  

That's not what I'm asking

2020-02-03 21:04:30 UTC  

Aetherial is physical

2020-02-03 21:04:46 UTC  

It just pushes you back a step

2020-02-03 21:04:48 UTC  

Hold on that's slightly off

2020-02-03 21:04:53 UTC  

We can attone for sins after death

2020-02-03 21:04:56 UTC  

To some degree

2020-02-03 21:05:00 UTC  

Not mortal sins

2020-02-03 21:05:19 UTC  

Venial sins yes

2020-02-03 21:05:35 UTC  

i'm pretty sure emperor trajan is in heaven due to prayers from some 3rd century saint

2020-02-03 21:06:39 UTC  

I doubt that, if he didn't recieve the Grace of God he can't be, but if I'm misinformed then idk

2020-02-03 21:06:52 UTC  

we shouldn't doubt God's mercy

2020-02-03 21:06:59 UTC  

i'll give the name of the saint in a moment

2020-02-03 21:07:08 UTC  

he's venerated in the latin church too i'm sure of it

2020-02-03 21:07:37 UTC  

Well the doctrine is that God gives you mercy, but you need to cooperate with it

2020-02-03 21:07:58 UTC  

If he died in mortal sin you can't atone for those sins as far as I know

2020-02-03 21:08:01 UTC  

yeah saint gregory the great

2020-02-03 21:08:10 UTC  

raised trajan to heaven through prayer

2020-02-03 21:08:25 UTC  

this is even referenced in the divine comedy, so yes it is believed among catholics

2020-02-03 21:08:30 UTC  

not that divine comedy is dogma

2020-02-03 21:08:39 UTC  

but catholic society respects this idea i'm implying

2020-02-03 21:10:55 UTC  

<:dynoSuccess:314691591484866560> ***ofvo#8313 has been warned., Wrong channel***

2020-02-03 21:11:08 UTC  

wtf

2020-02-03 21:11:13 UTC  

Anti croatian mod team

2020-02-03 21:11:14 UTC  

fuck u

2020-02-03 21:12:16 UTC  

```The emperor answered: If I come again from the battle whole and sound then I shall do justice for the death of thy son. Then said the widow: Sire, and if thou die in the battle who shall then avenge his death? And the emperor said: He that shall come after me. And the widow said: Is it not better that thou do to me justice and have the merit thereof of God than another have it for thee? Then had Trajan pity and descended from his horse and did justice in avenging the death of her son. On a time Saint Gregory went by the market of Rome which is called the market of Trajan, and then he remembered of the justice and other good deeds of Trajan, and how he had been piteous and debonair, and was much sorrowful that he had been a pagan, and he turned to the church of Saint Peter wailing for the horror of the miscreance of Trajan. Then answered a voice from God saying: I have now heard thy prayer, and have spared Trajan from the pain perpetual. By this, as some say, the pain perpetual due to Trajan as a miscreant was some deal taken away, but for all that was not he quit from the prison of hell, for the soul may well be in hell and feel there no pain by the mercy of God. (The Life of St. Gregory the Pope)```

2020-02-03 21:12:33 UTC  

@Sentient23 Wrong channel dipshit

2020-02-03 21:12:40 UTC  

Go rant in <#587015719141507102>

2020-02-03 21:12:42 UTC  

Long but the last couple sentences

2020-02-03 21:12:57 UTC  

He probably is in more of a state of limbo

2020-02-03 21:13:14 UTC  

didn't even make the connection that this is pope gregory

2020-02-03 21:13:32 UTC  

Oh yeah lol

2020-02-03 21:14:40 UTC  

Why are Catholics so aggressive

2020-02-03 21:14:49 UTC  

he isn't being aggressive