Message from @Draško

Discord ID: 674317424929144833


2020-02-04 18:11:52 UTC  

>Noone told you this is your goal. And yet, it is. Or, at least it should be.
because...? you believe that life came about by chance. there's nothing valuable about it. my life is about as valuable as a rock falling down a mountain

2020-02-04 18:11:58 UTC  

no, you're not answering any of my questions

2020-02-04 18:12:07 UTC  

you can't tell me why i should care about the survival of my species

2020-02-04 18:12:49 UTC  

not even getting into the moral gorge that that opens, because your justifications also moralizes various other things like eugenics, but i'll ignore that

2020-02-04 18:13:12 UTC  

i'll say it again, there is no objective worth to life, or anything, if there isn't a God

2020-02-04 18:13:24 UTC  

therefore i shouldn't give it any subjective value

2020-02-04 18:13:37 UTC  

the only conclusion is nihilism and proceeding from that, hedonism

2020-02-04 18:13:48 UTC  

Look, drasko, I'm not going to keep arguing this with you because you clearly have no intentions of attempting to see my viewpoint.

2020-02-04 18:14:09 UTC  

you can't explain it that's why you're trying to end it

2020-02-04 18:14:17 UTC  

tell me again, why should i care about the survival of my species?

2020-02-04 18:14:21 UTC  

there is no objective worth to anything.

2020-02-04 18:14:24 UTC  

yes

2020-02-04 18:14:29 UTC  

so how can then morality exist

2020-02-04 18:14:35 UTC  

we have to make it worth something to us.

2020-02-04 18:14:46 UTC  

because?

2020-02-04 18:16:05 UTC  

because there is no such thing as objective morality

2020-02-04 18:16:22 UTC  

okay, so you're basically admitting i'm right

2020-02-04 18:16:28 UTC  

you just want a functioning social contract

2020-02-04 18:16:33 UTC  

No morality is subjective and caused by the chemicals in our brains.

2020-02-04 18:16:39 UTC  

okay

2020-02-04 18:16:42 UTC  

so then it's not morality

2020-02-04 18:16:45 UTC  

it's a social contract

2020-02-04 18:17:00 UTC  

morality is a conviction that something is correct and good, not a tool for survival

2020-02-04 18:17:07 UTC  

if it's a tool for survival then it's a social contract

2020-02-04 18:18:00 UTC  

Morality is not a social construct. But it helped constrcut society.

2020-02-04 18:18:10 UTC  

what?

2020-02-04 18:18:14 UTC  

you just exclaimed the opposite

2020-02-04 18:18:30 UTC  

if morality is subjective, that means that it's entirely defined by human opinion

2020-02-04 18:18:34 UTC  

that's a social construct

2020-02-04 18:19:09 UTC  

That does not mean it's a social construct.

2020-02-04 18:19:15 UTC  

yes it does

2020-02-04 18:19:25 UTC  

do you know what a social construct is?

2020-02-04 18:20:43 UTC  

Definition of social construct. formal. : an idea that has been created and accepted by the people in a society @moira

2020-02-04 18:20:51 UTC  

it is a social construct

2020-02-04 18:22:17 UTC  

Please, shut up. This is going nowhere.

2020-02-04 18:22:35 UTC  

it's literally going

2020-02-04 18:22:40 UTC  

you've run into a brick wall

2020-02-04 18:22:54 UTC  

you have to admit that your perception of morality is that it's a social construct

2020-02-04 18:23:49 UTC  

No. It's just me saying that neither party is willing to accept the others reasoning.

2020-02-04 18:24:05 UTC  

i think you just haven't thought hard enough about it, friend

2020-02-04 18:24:17 UTC  

if it's really bugging you that much then sure, we can stop