Message from @moira

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2020-02-07 17:22:42 UTC  

I am familiar with theological fatalism mate

2020-02-07 17:23:17 UTC  

Its formally invalid, it doesnt follow that you will necessarily do X, the only thing that follows is that you will do x, but you COULD do y, as its not necessary for you to do X

2020-02-07 17:23:19 UTC  

ye but

2020-02-07 17:23:29 UTC  

you cant rebutt it

2020-02-07 17:23:34 UTC  

i just did lol

2020-02-07 17:23:38 UTC  

Its invalid syllogism

2020-02-07 17:23:58 UTC  

Yeah but god already knows what will happen in all timelines, right?

2020-02-07 17:24:10 UTC  

Or... is HE NOT OMNIPOTENT?

2020-02-07 17:24:23 UTC  

Omniscient etc

2020-02-07 17:24:34 UTC  

God knows all yes, however, just because god knows you will do X, does not mean you will necessarily do X, but that you WILL do x

2020-02-07 17:24:37 UTC  

the difference here

2020-02-07 17:24:37 UTC  

is

2020-02-07 17:24:45 UTC  

That there is no "necessity" for you to do X

2020-02-07 17:24:51 UTC  

As you could still do y

2020-02-07 17:24:56 UTC  

since its not necessary to do X

2020-02-07 17:25:20 UTC  

Yes but. When he made you he knew everything you would do before you did it. Yes?

2020-02-07 17:25:33 UTC  

I already addressed that

2020-02-07 17:25:39 UTC  

God knows i will do X

2020-02-07 17:25:50 UTC  

However, that doesn't mean i will necessarily do X

2020-02-07 17:26:22 UTC  

Then god isnt omnipotent in that scenario

2020-02-07 17:26:25 UTC  

gg

2020-02-07 17:26:30 UTC  

sperg mode

2020-02-07 17:26:54 UTC  

Where am i wrong

2020-02-07 17:27:06 UTC  

This is the meme that ruined christianity for me

2020-02-07 17:27:13 UTC  

its complete shit

2020-02-07 17:27:23 UTC  

Mate you dont understand propositional logic

2020-02-07 17:27:33 UTC  

if an invalid syllogism convinced you against Christianity, u got a lot reading to do

2020-02-07 17:27:43 UTC  

Is this the argument of theological fatalism, yes or no

2020-02-07 17:28:25 UTC  

The thing about the argument is that it is FORMALLY INVALID

2020-02-07 17:28:31 UTC  

and because its formally invalid, the INFERENCE RULE IS INVALID

2020-02-07 17:28:38 UTC  

and since the inference rule is invalid, THE CONCLUSION IS INVALID

2020-02-07 17:28:42 UTC  

this is how propositional logic 101 works

2020-02-07 17:29:51 UTC  

How do you have free will if the being that made you made the physical being and environment you are in and he knows all outcomes of it already? A god that is omnipotent already knows where all threads end by default. He is to blame and credit for everything , an omnipotent god is actually unable to give freewill since HE IS or HE MADE all things.

However. He could , if he is omnipotent, make a being he knows all about but make that being think it has free will.

2020-02-07 17:30:25 UTC  

easy. why wouldn't you

2020-02-07 17:30:43 UTC  

bruh

2020-02-07 17:30:44 UTC  

why would His knowledge of your actions means that He dictated them?

2020-02-07 17:30:46 UTC  

>ignores my response

2020-02-07 17:30:52 UTC  

whatever, sperg

2020-02-07 17:31:22 UTC  

this dude somehow thinks that formal invalidity somehow doesnt mean the argument isn't sound

2020-02-07 17:31:30 UTC  

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2020-02-07 17:31:51 UTC  

chill out