Message from @Sentient23

Discord ID: 675391470898905105


2020-02-07 17:21:04 UTC  

God know all. God make all. God make you think you have free will...


But really god knows what you will eat for breakfast before you go to bed everynight. So if god is all powerful, you didnt choose your breakfast. God already did when he made you. He just didnt let you in on it.

2020-02-07 17:21:27 UTC  

How does this rebutt omnipotence?

2020-02-07 17:21:42 UTC  

@Sentient23 what you are saying there isnt addressing my point

2020-02-07 17:21:53 UTC  

Because I don't know what your point is

2020-02-07 17:22:00 UTC  

it sounds VERY similarly to theological fatalism

2020-02-07 17:22:12 UTC  

why is it

2020-02-07 17:22:13 UTC  

and its implications on morality and free will

2020-02-07 17:22:19 UTC  

Christians dont get it

2020-02-07 17:22:29 UTC  

lol I get it, im saying your argument is formally invalid

2020-02-07 17:22:34 UTC  

Have i explained it badly

2020-02-07 17:22:36 UTC  

Its a fallacy in propositional logic

2020-02-07 17:22:42 UTC  

I am familiar with theological fatalism mate

2020-02-07 17:23:17 UTC  

Its formally invalid, it doesnt follow that you will necessarily do X, the only thing that follows is that you will do x, but you COULD do y, as its not necessary for you to do X

2020-02-07 17:23:19 UTC  

ye but

2020-02-07 17:23:29 UTC  

you cant rebutt it

2020-02-07 17:23:34 UTC  

i just did lol

2020-02-07 17:23:38 UTC  

Its invalid syllogism

2020-02-07 17:23:58 UTC  

Yeah but god already knows what will happen in all timelines, right?

2020-02-07 17:24:10 UTC  

Or... is HE NOT OMNIPOTENT?

2020-02-07 17:24:23 UTC  

Omniscient etc

2020-02-07 17:24:34 UTC  

God knows all yes, however, just because god knows you will do X, does not mean you will necessarily do X, but that you WILL do x

2020-02-07 17:24:37 UTC  

the difference here

2020-02-07 17:24:37 UTC  

is

2020-02-07 17:24:45 UTC  

That there is no "necessity" for you to do X

2020-02-07 17:24:51 UTC  

As you could still do y

2020-02-07 17:24:56 UTC  

since its not necessary to do X

2020-02-07 17:25:20 UTC  

Yes but. When he made you he knew everything you would do before you did it. Yes?

2020-02-07 17:25:33 UTC  

I already addressed that

2020-02-07 17:25:39 UTC  

God knows i will do X

2020-02-07 17:25:50 UTC  

However, that doesn't mean i will necessarily do X

2020-02-07 17:26:22 UTC  

Then god isnt omnipotent in that scenario

2020-02-07 17:26:25 UTC  

gg

2020-02-07 17:26:30 UTC  

sperg mode

2020-02-07 17:26:54 UTC  

Where am i wrong

2020-02-07 17:27:06 UTC  

This is the meme that ruined christianity for me

2020-02-07 17:27:13 UTC  

its complete shit

2020-02-07 17:27:23 UTC  

Mate you dont understand propositional logic

2020-02-07 17:27:33 UTC  

if an invalid syllogism convinced you against Christianity, u got a lot reading to do

2020-02-07 17:27:43 UTC  

Is this the argument of theological fatalism, yes or no

2020-02-07 17:28:25 UTC  

The thing about the argument is that it is FORMALLY INVALID

2020-02-07 17:28:31 UTC  

and because its formally invalid, the INFERENCE RULE IS INVALID