Message from @splitprimary
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God doesn't lack anything, he is perfect
What if it's perfect because it exists on the side of the veil that is free from death and corruption? I posted an article earlier about how light can literally be manifested from a void, what I'm saying is we're on the top of an ocean and God is the sea floor miles below our feet
God's truest expression is God before things are made manifest, once it becomes a thing we have assigned our own imperfect understanding of what it is to it.
That's not a claim backed by anything, if you were to say "God exists" you would be making a true claim about the nature of God.
Just because we are imperfect does not mean every statement or claim by us is imperfect
I already posted a few articles referencing how scientists have essentially pulled light out of the void and managed to model the manifestation of matter using quantum vibrations. By all accounts we seem to be scientifically verifying God
You aren't a scientist, don't pretend to know that quantum energy is equal to God. This is only true because E=mc^2. There isn't "nothing in these voids", it's filled to the brim with energy. You are claiming we can move God.
I know there isn't nothing in the void and if you listened to me I already said that things in a state of not being are in a higher state of potential energy.
God lacks nothing
You are claiming God changes
That you can "bring him out of the void" using material means.
I'm claiming that God isn't on this side of the veil: we talk to emanations of it but not the source.
Which is why god is the father, son and holy spirit but the father is not the son nor is the holy spirit the father.
God is absolutely simple, you cannot introduce parts into the Godhead. When we say something is an emanation, we do not say it can now be moved. They are consubstantial.
If you believe the demiurge is God I suppose that is true
@ComradeChaos so what is your model?
i've never heard of this sefirot thing, is it epistemological, like kant's categories? or an expanded trinity? spinoza thought there were infinite attributes to God beyond matter and consciousness, is this just saying 10 instead of 2?
wasn't it related to Judaism?
yeah, but seems like rabbinic which i don't know much about
The Kabbalah is a fantastic system of metaphysical abstractions. I highly recommend you read Dion Fortune's Mystical Qabalah
wait, "astrology and tarot"? that's not jewish
is kabbalah (still) considered a jewish heresy? is it a form of negative theology?
@splitprimary it's also been used by hermetic and Thelemic mystics, not to mention the Catholics
Kabbalah isn't one thing, but if you want the source text in English
https://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/zdm/index.htm
https://www.reddit.com/r/bookporn/comments/a0x13q/found_this_rare_book_the_epistle_of_secrets_and_i/
Here's a book on Christian Cabala but it's in latin
https://www.bromer.com/pages/books/29232/paulus-de-heredia/the-epistle-of-secrets
Here's an English translation but it is 300 dollars
^ jewish satanist pagan propaganda, don't read
The last one is literally Christian though @Sentient23
Was it by a catholic?
It was by a converso who prosyletized against Judaism
Need I repeat myself?
Was it by a catholic?
>>We see that this opinion regarding the Trinity and Incarnation contradict the official dogma of the Catholic Church at the time of Abner.
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/abner-burgos/
Technically but they didn't treat him like he was.
It's more accurate to say he was his own Christian
He rejected Catholic Dogma?
So he's not a catholic