Message from @ComradeChaos

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2020-03-04 21:26:18 UTC  

"I am", he is in the most simple terms Being

2020-03-04 21:26:34 UTC  

If he was privated from being he would be imperfect

2020-03-04 21:26:40 UTC  

He would be evil

2020-03-04 21:26:49 UTC  

Which is why he is not

2020-03-04 21:27:03 UTC  

Negative existence is not the same as being truly* nothing

2020-03-04 21:27:22 UTC  

It's actually a high state of potential energy.

2020-03-04 21:27:36 UTC  

The negative trinity is: nothing, limitless nothing, and limitless light

2020-03-04 21:27:53 UTC  

God has nothing in potential

2020-03-04 21:27:57 UTC  

He is purely actual

2020-03-04 21:28:07 UTC  

Or else you must argue he is not immutable and such

2020-03-04 21:28:09 UTC  

That he changes

2020-03-04 21:28:33 UTC  

I think that it's a constant that appears to change to us

2020-03-04 21:28:49 UTC  

Everything always changes, **nothing stays the same**

2020-03-04 21:29:15 UTC  

That's just word games to stay there is not a thing that stays the same.

2020-03-04 21:29:26 UTC  

And you've already said you don't really mean nothing

2020-03-04 21:29:35 UTC  

You are just asserting God does not exist

2020-03-04 21:29:37 UTC  

Nothing as in the No-thing

2020-03-04 21:30:08 UTC  

You'll have to elaborate

2020-03-04 21:30:25 UTC  

Because nothing is a lack of things

2020-03-04 21:30:32 UTC  

God doesn't lack anything, he is perfect

2020-03-04 21:31:50 UTC  

What if it's perfect because it exists on the side of the veil that is free from death and corruption? I posted an article earlier about how light can literally be manifested from a void, what I'm saying is we're on the top of an ocean and God is the sea floor miles below our feet

2020-03-04 21:32:36 UTC  

God's truest expression is God before things are made manifest, once it becomes a thing we have assigned our own imperfect understanding of what it is to it.

2020-03-04 21:34:13 UTC  

That's not a claim backed by anything, if you were to say "God exists" you would be making a true claim about the nature of God.

2020-03-04 21:34:49 UTC  

Just because we are imperfect does not mean every statement or claim by us is imperfect

2020-03-04 21:35:01 UTC  

I already posted a few articles referencing how scientists have essentially pulled light out of the void and managed to model the manifestation of matter using quantum vibrations. By all accounts we seem to be scientifically verifying God

2020-03-04 21:36:52 UTC  

You aren't a scientist, don't pretend to know that quantum energy is equal to God. This is only true because E=mc^2. There isn't "nothing in these voids", it's filled to the brim with energy. You are claiming we can move God.

2020-03-04 21:37:27 UTC  

I know there isn't nothing in the void and if you listened to me I already said that things in a state of not being are in a higher state of potential energy.

2020-03-04 21:37:56 UTC  

God lacks nothing

2020-03-04 21:38:03 UTC  

You are claiming God changes

2020-03-04 21:38:21 UTC  

That you can "bring him out of the void" using material means.

2020-03-04 21:38:31 UTC  

I'm claiming that God isn't on this side of the veil: we talk to emanations of it but not the source.

2020-03-04 21:39:04 UTC  

Which is why god is the father, son and holy spirit but the father is not the son nor is the holy spirit the father.

2020-03-04 21:40:31 UTC  

God is absolutely simple, you cannot introduce parts into the Godhead. When we say something is an emanation, we do not say it can now be moved. They are consubstantial.

2020-03-04 22:02:19 UTC  

If you believe the demiurge is God I suppose that is true

2020-03-04 22:34:55 UTC  

@ComradeChaos so what is your model?

2020-03-04 22:36:29 UTC  

i've never heard of this sefirot thing, is it epistemological, like kant's categories? or an expanded trinity? spinoza thought there were infinite attributes to God beyond matter and consciousness, is this just saying 10 instead of 2?

2020-03-04 22:37:44 UTC  

wasn't it related to Judaism?

2020-03-04 22:38:17 UTC  

yeah, but seems like rabbinic which i don't know much about

2020-03-04 22:38:37 UTC  

sounds complicated

2020-03-05 10:37:57 UTC  

The Kabbalah is a fantastic system of metaphysical abstractions. I highly recommend you read Dion Fortune's Mystical Qabalah