Message from @Tekka

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2020-03-15 01:24:01 UTC  

I justify it by metaphysics, historical apologetics, and miracles

2020-03-15 01:24:36 UTC  

such as?

2020-03-15 01:25:01 UTC  

In terms of miracles?

2020-03-15 01:25:09 UTC  

no

2020-03-15 01:25:12 UTC  

metaphysics

2020-03-15 01:25:29 UTC  

Argument from motion is a good one

2020-03-15 01:25:37 UTC  

elabirate

2020-03-15 01:25:43 UTC  

elaborate*

2020-03-15 01:26:13 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/587029563863990282/688558641116217344/20190915_160447-1.png

2020-03-15 01:26:18 UTC  

This is the argument

2020-03-15 01:26:32 UTC  

It's establishes *purus actus*

2020-03-15 01:26:55 UTC  

this sounds like the some hermetic stuff, can you confirm @ComradeChaos

2020-03-15 01:28:17 UTC  

@Eoppa this isnt necessarily an argument for christianity specifically, the 7 hermetic axioms are extremely similar

2020-03-15 01:29:57 UTC  

The full argument is 50 steps, but this necessitates a monotheistic, non deistic, perfect, incorporeal, eternal, intellectual, omnipotent/omniscient entity.

2020-03-15 01:30:02 UTC  

Which excludes polytheistic beliefs

2020-03-15 01:30:07 UTC  

not at all

2020-03-15 01:30:08 UTC  

Such as most pagans

2020-03-15 01:30:19 UTC  

in paganism there is one ultimate being

2020-03-15 01:30:25 UTC  

in vedic faith that is brahman

2020-03-15 01:30:31 UTC  

not sure what its called in others

2020-03-15 01:31:24 UTC  

the other gods are manifestations of different things in nature which do indeed exist in a sense

2020-03-15 01:31:35 UTC  

but nonetheless there is one that is ultimate and above all

2020-03-15 01:32:44 UTC  
2020-03-15 01:34:51 UTC  

So you wouldn't introduce any composition into the Brahman?

2020-03-15 01:35:41 UTC  

wdym

2020-03-15 01:36:10 UTC  

Is it composed

2020-03-15 01:36:34 UTC  

in what sense

2020-03-15 01:36:49 UTC  

Divine simplicity

2020-03-15 01:37:45 UTC  

still dont understand what youre trying to ask, im sorry i havent had amuch sleep nor food

2020-03-15 01:38:55 UTC  

I'll just give you the benefit of the doubt that it's synonymous with the Classical Theist conception of God.

2020-03-15 01:39:16 UTC  

Let's take the Zeitoun apparition, how would a pagan respond to something like it.

2020-03-15 01:39:25 UTC  

wtf is that

2020-03-15 01:40:21 UTC  

It was a series of apparitions of our blessed mother in Egypt in the 60s-70s. They were witnessed by millions, confirmed by the government, and local police, photographed, etc.

2020-03-15 01:40:46 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/587029563863990282/688562304832634930/20191017_221851.jpg

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/587029563863990282/688562305272905728/20191015_203901.jpg

2020-03-15 01:41:00 UTC  

These are some of the colorized pictures

2020-03-15 01:41:37 UTC  

Others include doves of light, images of unformed light, and other images of Mary

2020-03-15 01:42:04 UTC  

idk, Jesus and Mary are indeed holy. Jesus was a son of god but not the only one

2020-03-15 01:42:18 UTC  

Jesus is an avatar of light afterall

2020-03-15 01:43:08 UTC  

Except what Jesus professed is contradictory to what you profess. And the Church that Mary appears at is contradictory in dogma to you.

2020-03-15 01:43:52 UTC  

The only son of God doesn't mean not the only son

2020-03-15 01:44:20 UTC  

Ping me when you bring up our lady of Guadalupe) @Eoppa