but i cant describe it in another way

But I asked something more specific, I don't care about the utility right now

well then to get to that i musk ask you why cling to christianity? @Eoppa

I justify it by metaphysics, historical apologetics, and miracles

such as?

In terms of miracles?

no

metaphysics

Argument from motion is a good one

elabirate

elaborate*

This is the argument

It's establishes *purus actus*

this sounds like the some hermetic stuff, can you confirm @ComradeChaos

@Eoppa this isnt necessarily an argument for christianity specifically, the 7 hermetic axioms are extremely similar

The full argument is 50 steps, but this necessitates a monotheistic, non deistic, perfect, incorporeal, eternal, intellectual, omnipotent/omniscient entity.

Which excludes polytheistic beliefs

not at all

Such as most pagans

in paganism there is one ultimate being

in vedic faith that is brahman

not sure what its called in others

the other gods are manifestations of different things in nature which do indeed exist in a sense

but nonetheless there is one that is ultimate and above all

https://sacred-texts.com/eso/kyb/kyb04.htm i think you might like this @Eoppa

So you wouldn't introduce any composition into the Brahman?

wdym

Is it composed

in what sense

Divine simplicity

still dont understand what youre trying to ask, im sorry i havent had amuch sleep nor food

I'll just give you the benefit of the doubt that it's synonymous with the Classical Theist conception of God.

Let's take the Zeitoun apparition, how would a pagan respond to something like it.

wtf is that

It was a series of apparitions of our blessed mother in Egypt in the 60s-70s. They were witnessed by millions, confirmed by the government, and local police, photographed, etc.

These are some of the colorized pictures

Others include doves of light, images of unformed light, and other images of Mary

idk, Jesus and Mary are indeed holy. Jesus was a son of god but not the only one

Jesus is an avatar of light afterall