Message from @Eoppa

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2020-03-15 01:20:52 UTC  

That's not to say they aren't Christian, but that is an act creating syncretism between religions

2020-03-15 01:21:29 UTC  

paganism as whole is a very broad term that refers to native indo european faiths that revolve around the worship of nature. The core aspect of paganism is such, in hinduism its called sanatana dharma, in asatru its yggdrasil, depending on the branch it has a different name, but they all refer to the exact same thing, the unbreakable and eternal laws of the universe which everything has,does, and will abide by. Unlike monotheistic faiths which take on an exoteric outlook on live, paganism as a whole is esoteric. additionally paganism as a whole has had thousands upon thousands of more years of philosophy than any other religion @Eoppa

2020-03-15 01:22:09 UTC  

actually i take that back esoteric isnt the right word

2020-03-15 01:22:20 UTC  

but i cant describe it in another way

2020-03-15 01:22:20 UTC  

But I asked something more specific, I don't care about the utility right now

2020-03-15 01:23:09 UTC  

well then to get to that i musk ask you why cling to christianity? @Eoppa

2020-03-15 01:24:01 UTC  

I justify it by metaphysics, historical apologetics, and miracles

2020-03-15 01:24:36 UTC  

such as?

2020-03-15 01:25:01 UTC  

In terms of miracles?

2020-03-15 01:25:09 UTC  

no

2020-03-15 01:25:12 UTC  

metaphysics

2020-03-15 01:25:29 UTC  

Argument from motion is a good one

2020-03-15 01:25:37 UTC  

elabirate

2020-03-15 01:25:43 UTC  

elaborate*

2020-03-15 01:26:13 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/587029563863990282/688558641116217344/20190915_160447-1.png

2020-03-15 01:26:18 UTC  

This is the argument

2020-03-15 01:26:32 UTC  

It's establishes *purus actus*

2020-03-15 01:26:55 UTC  

this sounds like the some hermetic stuff, can you confirm @ComradeChaos

2020-03-15 01:28:17 UTC  

@Eoppa this isnt necessarily an argument for christianity specifically, the 7 hermetic axioms are extremely similar

2020-03-15 01:29:57 UTC  

The full argument is 50 steps, but this necessitates a monotheistic, non deistic, perfect, incorporeal, eternal, intellectual, omnipotent/omniscient entity.

2020-03-15 01:30:02 UTC  

Which excludes polytheistic beliefs

2020-03-15 01:30:07 UTC  

not at all

2020-03-15 01:30:08 UTC  

Such as most pagans

2020-03-15 01:30:19 UTC  

in paganism there is one ultimate being

2020-03-15 01:30:25 UTC  

in vedic faith that is brahman

2020-03-15 01:30:31 UTC  

not sure what its called in others

2020-03-15 01:31:24 UTC  

the other gods are manifestations of different things in nature which do indeed exist in a sense

2020-03-15 01:31:35 UTC  

but nonetheless there is one that is ultimate and above all

2020-03-15 01:32:44 UTC  
2020-03-15 01:34:51 UTC  

So you wouldn't introduce any composition into the Brahman?

2020-03-15 01:35:41 UTC  

wdym

2020-03-15 01:36:10 UTC  

Is it composed

2020-03-15 01:36:34 UTC  

in what sense

2020-03-15 01:36:49 UTC  

Divine simplicity

2020-03-15 01:37:45 UTC  

still dont understand what youre trying to ask, im sorry i havent had amuch sleep nor food

2020-03-15 01:38:55 UTC  

I'll just give you the benefit of the doubt that it's synonymous with the Classical Theist conception of God.

2020-03-15 01:39:16 UTC  

Let's take the Zeitoun apparition, how would a pagan respond to something like it.

2020-03-15 01:39:25 UTC  

wtf is that

2020-03-15 01:40:21 UTC  

It was a series of apparitions of our blessed mother in Egypt in the 60s-70s. They were witnessed by millions, confirmed by the government, and local police, photographed, etc.

2020-03-15 01:40:46 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/587029563863990282/688562304832634930/20191017_221851.jpg

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/587029563863990282/688562305272905728/20191015_203901.jpg

2020-03-15 01:41:00 UTC  

These are some of the colorized pictures