Message from @MENELIK THE IMPENETRABLE

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2020-03-26 00:01:29 UTC  

Two natures, one person

2020-03-26 00:05:13 UTC  

So if their essence Is the same why did jesus cry out to god when he was being crucified?
He asked god " father why have you forsaken me"
If god the father and god then son shared the same essence then jesus would know that god will never depart from him

2020-03-26 00:06:05 UTC  

> @MENELIK THE IMPENETRABLE that's entirely false. Jesus shares the divine essence, which is of course immutable, but when acting on the flesh you are not trying to move the divine act. That's why I said the flesh itself is not God.
@Eoppa
So how can the desires of the flesh overcome the desires of the divine

2020-03-26 00:10:26 UTC  

The 'cry out' was actually a quote from Psalms that predicted Christ and proclaimed God, it wasn't the flesh overcoming anything. Anachronistically it was for the Jews to recognize he was the messiah.

2020-03-26 00:10:32 UTC  

```they have pierced my hands and feet , they have numbered all my bones```

2020-03-26 00:10:51 UTC  

It was said when you suffered.

2020-03-26 00:11:07 UTC  
2020-03-26 00:11:34 UTC  

Jesus had never sinned, never did any desire contradict.

2020-03-26 00:12:22 UTC  

I never said he sinned, my argument was :
If god and jesus share the same essence, then why would jesus cry out for help

2020-03-26 00:12:38 UTC  

If he knew god was with him, he would be at peace

2020-03-26 00:15:34 UTC  

Did you not read what I said

2020-03-26 00:16:04 UTC  

?

2020-03-26 00:20:33 UTC  

U said it was from psalms, and it wasn't a cry out for help, but he called on God, which means god is separate from his essence

2020-03-26 00:20:59 UTC  

Is the Holy Spirit God?

2020-03-26 00:21:11 UTC  

No it's the holy spirit

2020-03-26 00:21:15 UTC  

The spirit of god

2020-03-26 00:24:05 UTC  

Then why does God interact with the Holy Spirit? Each person is distinct, that's why they have relationships. The Son can do nothing without the Father.

2020-03-26 00:24:19 UTC  

The Holy Spirit is regarded as distinct form the Father as well

2020-03-26 00:25:10 UTC  

I can interact with parts of my being as well

2020-03-26 00:25:14 UTC  

It's not that deep

2020-03-26 00:25:50 UTC  

When I am in danger without knowing it, another part of my being interacts with me and warns me

2020-03-26 00:26:08 UTC  

There you go?

2020-03-26 00:26:09 UTC  

If I can do that, then so can god, plus much more

2020-03-26 00:26:21 UTC  

You just refuted your criticism

2020-03-26 00:26:31 UTC  

But crying out to someone is different than interacting

2020-03-26 00:26:51 UTC  

I already explained it wasn't a cry out

2020-03-26 00:26:55 UTC  

Interacting just means involved with

2020-03-26 00:27:05 UTC  

It was
Matthew 27:46 (also Mark 15:34)
And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?” (NKJV)

2020-03-26 00:27:19 UTC  

Fact check it yourself

2020-03-26 00:28:57 UTC  

Now, can my own intuitive being depart from me?

2020-03-26 00:29:00 UTC  

It wasn't a cry out as in how you represent it is my point

2020-03-26 00:29:30 UTC  

You claim he was wondering why God left him, that's simply false

2020-03-26 00:29:39 UTC  

> I already explained it wasn't a cry out
@Eoppa
You literally said it wasn't a cry out.
And it is

2020-03-26 00:29:49 UTC  

Matthew 27:46 (also Mark 15:34)
And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?” (NKJV)

2020-03-26 00:30:32 UTC  

You need to read even what I said in context, I understand he 'cried out', but his will was not against the Father is my point.

2020-03-26 00:30:55 UTC  

I'm not saying his will was against the father

2020-03-26 00:31:04 UTC  

I'm saying the father was not with him

2020-03-26 00:31:08 UTC  

Then you have no objection

2020-03-26 00:31:11 UTC  

The father departed from him

2020-03-26 00:31:22 UTC  

And you said the father is apart of his essence

2020-03-26 00:31:46 UTC  

Then you do not know the Psalms he was quoting