Message from @MENELIK THE IMPENETRABLE
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Two natures, one person
So if their essence Is the same why did jesus cry out to god when he was being crucified?
He asked god " father why have you forsaken me"
If god the father and god then son shared the same essence then jesus would know that god will never depart from him
> @MENELIK THE IMPENETRABLE that's entirely false. Jesus shares the divine essence, which is of course immutable, but when acting on the flesh you are not trying to move the divine act. That's why I said the flesh itself is not God.
@Eoppa
So how can the desires of the flesh overcome the desires of the divine
The 'cry out' was actually a quote from Psalms that predicted Christ and proclaimed God, it wasn't the flesh overcoming anything. Anachronistically it was for the Jews to recognize he was the messiah.
```they have pierced my hands and feet , they have numbered all my bones```
It was said when you suffered.
Jesus had never sinned, never did any desire contradict.
I never said he sinned, my argument was :
If god and jesus share the same essence, then why would jesus cry out for help
If he knew god was with him, he would be at peace
Did you not read what I said
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U said it was from psalms, and it wasn't a cry out for help, but he called on God, which means god is separate from his essence
Is the Holy Spirit God?
No it's the holy spirit
The spirit of god
Then why does God interact with the Holy Spirit? Each person is distinct, that's why they have relationships. The Son can do nothing without the Father.
The Holy Spirit is regarded as distinct form the Father as well
I can interact with parts of my being as well
It's not that deep
There you go?
If I can do that, then so can god, plus much more
You just refuted your criticism
But crying out to someone is different than interacting
I already explained it wasn't a cry out
Interacting just means involved with
It was
Matthew 27:46 (also Mark 15:34)
And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?” (NKJV)
Fact check it yourself
Now, can my own intuitive being depart from me?
It wasn't a cry out as in how you represent it is my point
You claim he was wondering why God left him, that's simply false
> I already explained it wasn't a cry out
@Eoppa
You literally said it wasn't a cry out.
And it is
Matthew 27:46 (also Mark 15:34)
And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?” (NKJV)
You need to read even what I said in context, I understand he 'cried out', but his will was not against the Father is my point.
I'm not saying his will was against the father
I'm saying the father was not with him
Then you have no objection
The father departed from him
And you said the father is apart of his essence
Then you do not know the Psalms he was quoting