The Father as well is very active

Yes

Jesus is divine flesh right?

It's a hypostatic union

Fully man, fully God. The flesh is not God itself.

For the Son always existed

Jesus and Mary both received glorified bodies though

@Eoppafully man and fully god is a paradox.
Man is a distinct entity and even moreso god

Fully God would mean it would be literally impossible for jesus to be crucified as he would have eternal life

@MENELIK THE IMPENETRABLE that's entirely false. Jesus shares the divine essence, which is of course immutable, but when acting on the flesh you are not trying to move the divine act. That's why I said the flesh itself is not God.

His person, his essence is shared with God the Son.

Not the body.

Two natures, one person

So if their essence Is the same why did jesus cry out to god when he was being crucified?
He asked god " father why have you forsaken me"
If god the father and god then son shared the same essence then jesus would know that god will never depart from him

> @MENELIK THE IMPENETRABLE that's entirely false. Jesus shares the divine essence, which is of course immutable, but when acting on the flesh you are not trying to move the divine act. That's why I said the flesh itself is not God.
@Eoppa
So how can the desires of the flesh overcome the desires of the divine

The 'cry out' was actually a quote from Psalms that predicted Christ and proclaimed God, it wasn't the flesh overcoming anything. Anachronistically it was for the Jews to recognize he was the messiah.

```they have pierced my hands and feet , they have numbered all my bones```

It was said when you suffered.

@MENELIK THE IMPENETRABLE

Jesus had never sinned, never did any desire contradict.

I never said he sinned, my argument was :
If god and jesus share the same essence, then why would jesus cry out for help

If he knew god was with him, he would be at peace

Did you not read what I said

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U said it was from psalms, and it wasn't a cry out for help, but he called on God, which means god is separate from his essence

Is the Holy Spirit God?

No it's the holy spirit

The spirit of god

Then why does God interact with the Holy Spirit? Each person is distinct, that's why they have relationships. The Son can do nothing without the Father.

The Holy Spirit is regarded as distinct form the Father as well

I can interact with parts of my being as well

It's not that deep

When I am in danger without knowing it, another part of my being interacts with me and warns me

There you go?

If I can do that, then so can god, plus much more

You just refuted your criticism

But crying out to someone is different than interacting

I already explained it wasn't a cry out

Interacting just means involved with

It was
Matthew 27:46 (also Mark 15:34)
And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?” (NKJV)

Fact check it yourself