Message from @vladi004
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What are rights and why do you think we have them?
so protect our tribe and our species
they are a bunch of commonly agreed rules which ensure the betterment of ourselves and our community
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Killing a baby or a fetus is killing a person who doesn't pose a threat to your right or your tribe
I am not in agreement though. Why should I or anyone else agree to these?
because it gives me the right to murder you which makes the fabric of civilization collapse
if I don't suffer the consequences for murdering a member of someone else's tribe the tribe is week and should be eliminated.
only the tribe which defend themselves and their offsprings survived
Well no we can ban murder without appealing to these rights which can't be demonstrated to exist.
they are a social pact
But society disagrees on these
And have for decades.
your violation is you rejecting humanity and society
Abortion is legal right now.
So let's go to abortion spacificly
Well no society has rejected what you are proposing.
and why I think it should be included
muslims have
Society decided (for the most part) to allow abortion.
Societies also disagree on these policies, between socities
I'm just responding to your point. By all means.
abortion is part of murder because murder is killing someone of your tribe or of other tribe who didn't pose a threat
But keep in mind I haven't accepted human rights as of yet.
killing a child harms your own tribe
less workforce
Using this definition sure, abortion could be considered murder.
less thinkers
Not always.
Less criminals.
Less strain on welfare programs.
It can go both ways.
they get punished when they are proven guilty
The punishment has a social cost.
The victims, the cost of police
The courts
All of this can sometimes be avoided with abortion.
no it can't
except if you don't want to kill humanity?
Well i don't think we should abort everyone