Society decided (for the most part) to allow abortion.

So do you want me to continue on abortion?

Societies also disagree on these policies, between socities

I'm just responding to your point. By all means.

abortion is part of murder because murder is killing someone of your tribe or of other tribe who didn't pose a threat

But keep in mind I haven't accepted human rights as of yet.

killing a child harms your own tribe

less workforce

Using this definition sure, abortion could be considered murder.

less thinkers

Not always.

Less criminals.

Less strain on welfare programs.

It can go both ways.

they get punished when they are proven guilty

The punishment has a social cost.

The victims, the cost of police

The courts

All of this can sometimes be avoided with abortion.

no it can't

except if you don't want to kill humanity?

Well i don't think we should abort everyone

the you are wrong

as long as man exist the strain is their

you just refuse to except a person who is more likely to be helpful then harmful

accept*

You are killing someone who will help humanity develop which means you are harming humanity which makes you to either repent or be killed

If all the children aborted last year were to survive, would our country be better off by all metrics?

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That's a hard question

yes

because most of them would still not be borned

But either way I don't really care.

people will take less risk

Banning smoking, alcohol would help our society if it was feasible.

so what's your point?

I wouldn't ever advocate for that.

My point is you also need to establish why I should always care about maximizing the benefit of my tribe.

but they don't harm other people's rights

you killing a child violates its

And why your outcome is a better measurement of maximizing it than mine.