Message from @vladi004

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2020-03-27 22:31:26 UTC  

It's something taught and coded into us for protection and survival of our species and our tribe

2020-03-27 22:31:45 UTC  

Uh welll clearly not because I'm a counter example to this 😂

2020-03-27 22:31:56 UTC  

You have a right to live until you are a threat

2020-03-27 22:32:02 UTC  

the bike?

2020-03-27 22:32:03 UTC  

The reason I'm asking is because no one seems to be able to give me an argument.

2020-03-27 22:32:05 UTC  

Do I?

2020-03-27 22:32:39 UTC  

we have rights for the betterment of the life of everyone and our people

2020-03-27 22:33:03 UTC  

What are rights and why do you think we have them?

2020-03-27 22:33:18 UTC  

so protect our tribe and our species

2020-03-27 22:33:48 UTC  

they are a bunch of commonly agreed rules which ensure the betterment of ourselves and our community

2020-03-27 22:34:02 UTC  

One sec...

2020-03-27 22:34:20 UTC  

Killing a baby or a fetus is killing a person who doesn't pose a threat to your right or your tribe

2020-03-27 22:34:24 UTC  

I am not in agreement though. Why should I or anyone else agree to these?

2020-03-27 22:34:51 UTC  

because it gives me the right to murder you which makes the fabric of civilization collapse

2020-03-27 22:35:34 UTC  

if I don't suffer the consequences for murdering a member of someone else's tribe the tribe is week and should be eliminated.

2020-03-27 22:36:05 UTC  

only the tribe which defend themselves and their offsprings survived

2020-03-27 22:36:14 UTC  

Well no we can ban murder without appealing to these rights which can't be demonstrated to exist.

2020-03-27 22:36:34 UTC  

they are a social pact

2020-03-27 22:36:43 UTC  

But society disagrees on these

2020-03-27 22:36:47 UTC  

And have for decades.

2020-03-27 22:36:49 UTC  

your violation is you rejecting humanity and society

2020-03-27 22:36:54 UTC  

Abortion is legal right now.

2020-03-27 22:37:01 UTC  

So let's go to abortion spacificly

2020-03-27 22:37:04 UTC  

Well no society has rejected what you are proposing.

2020-03-27 22:37:09 UTC  

and why I think it should be included

2020-03-27 22:37:16 UTC  

muslims have

2020-03-27 22:37:18 UTC  

Society decided (for the most part) to allow abortion.

2020-03-27 22:37:38 UTC  

So do you want me to continue on abortion?

2020-03-27 22:37:44 UTC  

Societies also disagree on these policies, between socities

2020-03-27 22:37:54 UTC  

I'm just responding to your point. By all means.

2020-03-27 22:38:38 UTC  

abortion is part of murder because murder is killing someone of your tribe or of other tribe who didn't pose a threat

2020-03-27 22:38:39 UTC  

But keep in mind I haven't accepted human rights as of yet.

2020-03-27 22:38:49 UTC  

killing a child harms your own tribe

2020-03-27 22:38:53 UTC  

less workforce

2020-03-27 22:38:54 UTC  

Using this definition sure, abortion could be considered murder.

2020-03-27 22:38:59 UTC  

less thinkers

2020-03-27 22:39:02 UTC  

Not always.

2020-03-27 22:39:07 UTC  

Less criminals.

2020-03-27 22:39:16 UTC  

Less strain on welfare programs.

2020-03-27 22:39:23 UTC  

It can go both ways.

2020-03-27 22:39:23 UTC  

they get punished when they are proven guilty