Message from @Charlie H. Inkie
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Y'know i like voting for presidents but dumbasses like us on the internet shouldn't vote
a voter has his own self interests when voting, and that sounds like a reasonable thing until you look at it in practice
completely polarizes society and nobody give no fucks about each other but their own voter group
old farts will vote for anyone that makes their pensions higher, boomers will vote for anyone that isn't going to endanger their current wealth
1) Democracies always work, unless the Government is corrupt. What many people like to do, is to blame democracy for their country's problems, while they should be blaming the Government(s) they elected.
2) Solving these problems isn't as simple as you would like it to be, nor as simple as you think it is. No ruler in human history has ever been able to solve all problems of the society. Therefore, for these problems to be solved, the society needs a leader who can actually do their job. And here comes the question, who knows if they can do their job correctly? The answer to this question, is the SOCIETY, because it is it which has to deal with social problems. And what is society made up of? The people. Therefore the people should elecr their leaders.
3) Individual Freedom should always be attainable, but could also be restrained when it threatens the nation - but that's under extreme circumstances that we yet haven't witnessed.
@Draško Letting students vote for their teachers is a democratic procedure, but no Democratic system has ever done that.
The example you gave is purposefully full of flaws.
of course, i'm making an analogy as to how silly democracy is
when a voter votes, he doesn't have the best interest of society in his mind
only his own self interest
The analogy is false.
it is a bit of a stretch i'll be fair but you see the same line of thinking in voting for the president
I have to get to class, I'll get to you soon
if you gave the students the right to vote for their teacher, they'd vote for the one that gives the highest grade for the least bit of work
voters in a democracy think along the same principles, they don't care about the survival of the state or the people inside it.
if there was a candidate that promised to give all hobos housing and food for life at the expense of the rich i can bet you every single hobo would vote for him
@Koninos you realize that democracy isn't democratic, right? There is no way to best represent the will of the people when you have two factions that are loyal more to donors than they are to the People because every x number of years there's a peaceful revolution (election) that destroys the progress that was made under one side of the kosher sandwich
Serious political discussion is intellectual masturbation. Embrace retardation as the only serious way forward
Before you say this is a shitpost, I’m being 100% serious
I agree
tard screech against the modern world
Thank you
They are fighting a war for your mind
But they cannot win if you have lost your mind
precisely
they will not try to conquer what they see as unworthy to conquer
No
Just be monkey
You misunderstand monkey
no yeah that's the point
if you are a tard they leave you alone
and then you win because of your tard strength
Good
@Charlie H. Inkie in a way i agree with you
the only way to make change is to do the dumb thing in a political environment
because the masses are generally dumb and don't care about any high intellectual discussion
@Koninos Democracy institutionalises corruption. A ruler providing resources and privileges vastly disproportionately to his loyalists is usually considered corrupt historically, but that's the expectation with democracy, we just don't consider it corruption in the same way.
The main reason it seems less corrupt is because both systems are judged by different standards - with monarchic or oligarchic systems judged more harshly, or recategorising corruption as part of the benefit, eg. benefiting the majority (but this is rarely synonymous with benefiting the nation generally)
It’s more than that
I’m going to be a smartoid here for a moment