Message from @moira

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2020-02-22 15:16:38 UTC  

That clears it up

2020-02-22 15:42:09 UTC  

Thought that should be logical enough by itself

2020-02-22 16:06:48 UTC  

The tweet made it sound like it was inflation adjusted

2020-02-22 21:19:09 UTC  

I dont get how people can be proud of their nation history

2020-02-22 21:19:55 UTC  

its more fun that you actually are proud of something that you personally put effort into, that something that you did nothing to.

2020-02-22 21:20:25 UTC  

Being proud of a country's history is equal to being proud of its weather

2020-02-22 21:20:58 UTC  

It's a characteristic of the country that you actually didn't make, or even participate, in its making

2020-02-22 21:21:43 UTC  

unless you're an historically important figure, which your probably not, since no one's never fuckin read about you.

2020-02-22 21:23:05 UTC  

And my weather analogy is perfectly logical, since the differences between "races" people heavily sperg about and autism over are more related to weather than anything else

2020-02-22 21:31:08 UTC  

most people that aren't proud of their country can't really grasp being proud of their country

2020-02-22 21:31:34 UTC  

the people that made the country did so having in their mind that you'd have the same mentality as them and do the same thing

2020-02-22 21:31:44 UTC  

like not the country as a polity, but the nation

2020-02-22 21:32:14 UTC  

to me at least, nationalism isn't really an ego boost for myself, but more of an ideal of how members of a single society should work off of each other

2020-02-22 21:32:23 UTC  

I have nothing to be proud of.

2020-02-22 21:32:33 UTC  

Thats good

2020-02-22 21:32:36 UTC  

then do something for your nation that you can be proud of

2020-02-22 21:32:45 UTC  

strive for that

2020-02-22 21:34:05 UTC  

"my country can do no wrong every other country is worse my country should rule the world we are the only ones who do everything correctly" to me that seems irrational

2020-02-22 21:34:09 UTC  

and

2020-02-22 21:34:38 UTC  

"I'm proud of something I had no control of, being born a citizen of my country"

2020-02-22 21:34:50 UTC  

this one is not as irrational, but still

2020-02-22 21:37:38 UTC  

I would definitely go against my nation, But that's because I do not care about irrational bullshit

2020-02-22 21:37:53 UTC  

If a country does wrong, it's not something to strive for

2020-02-22 21:38:03 UTC  

which takes us to the irrational part

2020-02-22 21:38:11 UTC  

"my country can do no wrong"

2020-02-22 21:38:27 UTC  

"and if it somehow did, I must justify it"

2020-02-22 21:38:29 UTC  

which is total bullshit tbh

2020-02-22 21:40:04 UTC  

"my people" dont give a shit about me

2020-02-22 21:40:11 UTC  

For the most part.

2020-02-22 21:41:31 UTC  

There are a lot of "my people" who really don't give a shit.

2020-02-22 21:42:01 UTC  

Your perception of "unless you're a historically important figure" is wrong. The development of a nation history is not given itself on the individualistic history of important figures, but in the larger scope of things related to normal day life and/or the actions that wouldn't be possible without large groups. For example, armies are collectivists groups; as they different ramifications (for example artillery, infantry, cavarly), all work together for a achieving a goal. Another example, would be economical history; like the development of guild and agrarian communties which established together an estructural economy. Is the participation of different members, or parts, of a society in the development and modeling of a nation state.

2020-02-22 21:46:23 UTC  

You're right probably

2020-02-22 21:46:32 UTC  

in a way

2020-02-22 21:46:45 UTC  

*In a way*

2020-02-22 21:47:05 UTC  

You're right that the common bloke is part of history, but the common bloke had no relation to the history *before* his time

2020-02-22 21:47:31 UTC  

Which was most of my point

2020-02-22 21:47:52 UTC  

Wydm by "before his time"?

2020-02-22 21:48:04 UTC  

That `In a way` was supposed to be connected to the next phrase, not the previous

2020-02-22 21:48:06 UTC  

nationalism is about rejecting the concept of "his time", it's our time

2020-02-22 21:48:11 UTC  

past history

2020-02-22 21:48:14 UTC  

our ancestors did this for us, and it's on us to continue their legacy