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Your argument presupposes the falsity of the conclusion it aims to rebut, in one of its propositions
Let me clear this up for you
Appreciate it
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Suppose that i believe morality is objective.
You asked me to back that up
And I, in one of the premises in the argument i aim to use to substantiate my claim that morality is objective, ASSUME that morality is objective
So, proposition X is true because Y and Z, and Y is true because X is true. this would be a circular argument and not a coherent refutation
I don't understand why you're struggling with this, its quite simple
So you're asking me to use a situation where idealism is true to argue the falsity of idealism
Well then I can't because it's true in that situation
No, I'm asking for an argument against idealism, in which one of the propositions of such argument doesn't presuppose the truth value of your conclusion
Oh
Is serious spelled right
Yes
I'm having a stroke
It doesn't look right
Well I can't think like that right now @Sentient23
Let me rephrase it again in mathematical terms
I've got ideas floating in my head but
No no
I get you
I'm dismissing idealism with the mindset of idealism being already dismissed
Proposition X
Argument for proposition X: Y, Z, and D
Argument for statements in the argument for proposition X: Y is true because X
alright
I get you though
Your logic is strong
Although I still gotta prove your logic too
I'm gonna go to the shops I'll be back
Alright, ill go to bed right now anyway
perhaps we can continue debating idealism another time
Interesting
Are you an idealist?
Or an idealist out of process of elimination ( due to lack of existance of a refutal )
lol human nature argument
@NotBrott Nothing beats first principles and basic truths
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