There is nothing wrong with my answer of previous

That idealism is a tool of mass control

I demonstrated what's wrong with your previous argument

And I still don't understand your criticism

You're typing in fucking hebrew

Your argument presupposes the falsity of the conclusion it aims to rebut, in one of its propositions

Let me clear this up for you

Appreciate it

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Suppose that i believe morality is objective.
You asked me to back that up
And I, in one of the premises in the argument i aim to use to substantiate my claim that morality is objective, ASSUME that morality is objective
So, proposition X is true because Y and Z, and Y is true because X is true. this would be a circular argument and not a coherent refutation

I don't understand why you're struggling with this, its quite simple

So you're asking me to use a situation where idealism is true to argue the falsity of idealism

Well then I can't because it's true in that situation

No, I'm asking for an argument against idealism, in which one of the propositions of such argument doesn't presuppose the truth value of your conclusion

Oh

Is serious spelled right

Yes

I'm having a stroke

It doesn't look right

Well I can't think like that right now @Sentient23

Let me rephrase it again in mathematical terms

I've got ideas floating in my head but

No no

I get you

I'm dismissing idealism with the mindset of idealism being already dismissed

I can't think right now

Proposition X

Argument for proposition X: Y, Z, and D

Argument for statements in the argument for proposition X: Y is true because X

alright

I get you though

Your logic is strong

Although I still gotta prove your logic too

I'm gonna go to the shops I'll be back

Alright, ill go to bed right now anyway

perhaps we can continue debating idealism another time

Interesting

Are you an idealist?

Or an idealist out of process of elimination ( due to lack of existance of a refutal )

lol human nature argument

@NotBrott Nothing beats first principles and basic truths

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Are you the owner? @Maksim