Message from @Light

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2020-01-02 22:57:12 UTC  

In which direction that is

2020-01-02 22:57:14 UTC  

Well, it depends

2020-01-02 22:57:19 UTC  

Eoppa, it's against the state

2020-01-02 22:57:21 UTC  

1) France crumbled and eventually Napoleon restored civil order because the incumbent revolutionary government was extremely unstable and practiced tyranny by the majority.

2) The Congressional Convention adopted a nationalistic interpretation of the Constitution, providing additional provisions to the federal government over state, including the supremacy clause.

2020-01-02 22:57:38 UTC  

You don't seperate state from governance, that's cringe

2020-01-02 22:57:40 UTC  

The point I'm getting at is that these revolutionaries fought against the state in the first place

2020-01-02 22:57:46 UTC  

They aren't loyal to the state

2020-01-02 22:57:52 UTC  

Hell, look at Ukraine's anarchists

2020-01-02 22:57:53 UTC  

Yes they are

2020-01-02 22:57:55 UTC  

Happy now?

2020-01-02 22:58:11 UTC  

I have to go, but you are so bluepilled in how you view ideology

2020-01-02 22:58:14 UTC  

Its painful

2020-01-02 22:58:15 UTC  

Makhno was a clown who fell apart at the first sign of an organized power going against him.

2020-01-02 22:58:30 UTC  

He lost a 10,000 man peak military body to both Bolsheviks and Whites.

2020-01-02 22:58:56 UTC  

What's that? Men were fighting for the lack of a state?

2020-01-02 22:59:06 UTC  

- and lost.

2020-01-02 22:59:11 UTC  

To organized government.

2020-01-02 22:59:18 UTC  

Sure, I'm not an anarchist

2020-01-02 22:59:21 UTC  

I'm not defending that

2020-01-02 22:59:37 UTC  

The point I'm trying to get across is that men aren't loyal to the state

2020-01-02 22:59:42 UTC  

Masculinity doesn't induce loyalty to the state

2020-01-02 23:00:05 UTC  

You can argue that rebellions constitute another "state", but that "state" is in contrast with the original state

2020-01-02 23:00:14 UTC  

So what?

2020-01-02 23:00:18 UTC  

That's the point

2020-01-02 23:00:29 UTC  

No anarchist opposes government ironically

2020-01-02 23:01:06 UTC  

You'll get an opposition to a monopoly on arbitration or force, but that doesn't change anything

2020-01-02 23:02:29 UTC  

Okay?

2020-01-02 23:02:48 UTC  

I was trying to emphasize that masculinity is just merely aggression, not really... "loyalty"

2020-01-02 23:03:21 UTC  

Well higher masculinity exhibit a disproportionate intolerance for submission to the state.

2020-01-02 23:04:51 UTC  

Men compose the ranks of authoritarian armies and police forces

2020-01-02 23:05:06 UTC  

Well, generally

2020-01-02 23:05:20 UTC  

The exceptions don't make rules when generalizing

2020-01-02 23:10:31 UTC  

Really only the CNT FAI's zones of control were true revolutions

2020-01-02 23:47:30 UTC  

.

2020-01-02 23:51:15 UTC  

That sounds like a feminist depiction of masculinity and is therefore wrong because it is feminist.

2020-01-02 23:52:27 UTC  

Though, I do agree that masculinity is not defined as loyalty towards one's authority. That's just silly.

2020-01-02 23:56:18 UTC  

Equating masculinity to being pro-state is just as correct as stating that masculinity is simply more violent.

2020-01-02 23:57:29 UTC  

I will say that masculinity is generally more driven and authoritative than femininity and usually renders less agreeableness

2020-01-02 23:57:48 UTC  

And yes, this could mean that men would be more driven to power

2020-01-02 23:58:04 UTC  

And that men can be more aggressive, but that isn't always the case.

2020-01-02 23:58:18 UTC  

You have Hilary Clinton for example.