and Robert Owen

the capitalist "right-libertarianism" is relatively a very recent thing

I had never heard that before but alright

The libertarians here all claim their ideology comes from the founding fathers which makes them sound really old

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_D%C3%A9jacque

first ever person to use the term "libertarian" was a communist

Mfw

@Flash their ideology is liberalism which comes from people like john locke

Yeah, Locke is someone they like to bring up too

They’re classical liberals

Classical liberals are fine kindab

Idk they aren't gay

So

I can handle them. They can normally be reasoned with

Generally

They so have non Christian values derived from material but they can be reasoned with

They’re not like modern liberals who are insane

Insane?

I'd rather call them marxists

It's kinda what it is

Supporting drag kids, censorship, etc

Boomer takes

Classical liberals aren’t fans of that stuff

Technically no

As they aren't used to it

But ideologically yes they

They do kinda support it

If we're taking values purely

``I'd rather call them marxists``

if you think modern liberals are marxists you either dont know what marxism is or you dont know what modern liberalism is lol

If we took their values purely how could they support censorship?

Lmao

Modern liberals

Marxists and modern liberals have a humorous relationship

Well when I hear that I think of progressives

Which are Marxists

Socially

eh, marxists can be socially conservative. Marx himself was a supporter of the nuclear family and was fairly racist

Marx lmfao

Funny man

Jewish

They have a bunch of differing views but try and come together for select things like beating up right of center people and destroying economies