siren?

you've never heard of sirens?

the mythical kind?

the ancient Greeks believed in a type of supernatural creature called a Siren, who had a bird's body and a woman's head

they lived on rocky islands in the Aegean Sea, and sung beautiful songs that lured sailors to their doom

the sailors would be mesmerized by the songs, and forget what direction their ships were going, and eventually the ships would be destroyed on the rocks of the islands the sirens lived on

later depictions of Sirens made them resemble mermaids

they still sang that lethal song and lured men to dash their ships on the rocks, though

in the Odyssey, Ulysses had his crew tie him to the main mast of his ship and plug their ears with beeswax so they could steer the ship safely past the islands of the Sirens, and at the same time, he could listen to their song without consequences

so there are forms of socialism that lure people in, but once they have it, they regret it later

sometimes to their doom

for some reason the term Siren was later used for alarm sounds 🤔

not sure why 🤷

That’s an awesome recap @LadyAquanine thanks 👍

socialism is not based in luring people in, such a system would be unsustainable and have no vitality

it depends on the will of the people whether they want socialism or not.

It “lures people in” in the sense that people want fair compensation for their labor and reliably cheap and accessible healthcare

I oughtta type in what the Naked Communist book says

it's very eye-opening

and don't let the title fool you

it's not a commie porno book

Damn that sounds hot

I wanna see Stalin's big red sickle

@wahx welfare is not socialism

I know, but it's a reason people want socialism, so that the healthcare system can be socialized

then these people don't know what socialism is, at very best their advocating for social democracy/democratic policies

yes, socialism provides welfare but in modern society its only social democracy which takes a key role in developing these policies

Dunno why you're drawing the distinction, all I said was socialism is a means to accessible healthcare, which it is.

Your point is also true, but doesn't in any way contradict what I said, but still felt like a rebuttal to what I said.

because I feel like comparing social democratic policies to socialism is somwhat of a stretch although similar in a few aspects

I really hate Mexicans

most socialists don't really support social democracy, they think its a tool to lull the working class to sleep and not actually solve their problems fully

I agree, we need to get rid of the Mexicans.

just allow the educated ones who will assimilate to society

deport the illegals who come for free welfare

Yeah, same with the self-proclaimed Americans who stole the land and decided to lead the way for the bum Mexicans. 😂

stole land?

you mean the Mexican American war?

lol don't engage him. And again, I wasn't comparing social democratic policies to socialism, I was saying socialism provides socialized healthcare. I get that you have issues with social democracy, or socialists do, but I wasn't saying that. You're picking nits.

uh yea sorry I misinterpreted

ok, found it: https://rense.com/general32/americ.htm