Message from @BeatleJuice

Discord ID: 521075536148037632


2018-12-08 21:26:30 UTC  

No shit

2018-12-08 21:26:36 UTC  

Holodomor was real

2018-12-08 21:26:37 UTC  

We don't deny that

2018-12-08 21:26:41 UTC  

and it was because of a failed USSR policy

2018-12-08 21:26:46 UTC  

Actually not

2018-12-08 21:26:53 UTC  

dont try to defend the USSR because it was a shit regime

2018-12-08 21:27:12 UTC  

The source shows collectivized agriculture was linked to lower rates of famine

2018-12-08 21:27:20 UTC  

twas chewish 85%

2018-12-08 21:27:26 UTC  

there are reasons for that

2018-12-08 21:27:36 UTC  

because they stole everyone's grain who wasnt collectivised and killed them

2018-12-08 21:27:39 UTC  

read 200 years together

2018-12-08 21:27:46 UTC  
2018-12-08 21:27:49 UTC  

might help you undersand

2018-12-08 21:27:52 UTC  

grain confiscation was a thing

2018-12-08 21:27:58 UTC  

ill find it

2018-12-08 21:27:58 UTC  

they stole the barley

2018-12-08 21:28:00 UTC  

and the seeds

2018-12-08 21:28:02 UTC  

and everything

2018-12-08 21:28:05 UTC  

export

2018-12-08 21:28:07 UTC  

no import

2018-12-08 21:28:08 UTC  

starved them

2018-12-08 21:28:13 UTC  

A letter showing soviet authority had stopped existing in Ukraine, and Stalin was unaware of mass starvation at this time but tried to relieve the situation when informed
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/398889591043653632/412025247756320827/unknown.png

the letter it was in response too for context
http://www.stalinsociety.org/2015/10/03/fighting-the-holodomor-myth-archival-evidence-that-stalin-was-unaware-of-conditions-in-the-ukraine-and-tried-to-relieve-the-situation-when-he-was-informed/

A document showing that the regional committees appeared to be pulling the wool over the CC's eyes and were not managing things properly
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/398889591043653632/412025531697987594/unknown.png
full sized document
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/411984716430835715/411992392506277888/unknown.png

A document showing that due to the famine elsewhere they couldn't reduce quotas, but did send back some grain lent to them
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/398889591043653632/412025631786926082/unknown.png

A document showing that there had been a lot of mismanagement and that those who were behind these failures lied about what was happening and how much they were producing, and as a result they were to be punished
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/398889591043653632/412025763626352661/unknown.png
full sized document
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/411984716430835715/411992983026663465/unknown.png


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2018-12-08 21:28:23 UTC  

dude, read 200 years together.. its amazing

2018-12-08 21:28:23 UTC  

oof

2018-12-08 21:28:27 UTC  

sad

2018-12-08 21:28:38 UTC  

Gtfo with your dumb book

2018-12-08 21:29:08 UTC  

this is along the same lines as justifying the holocaust

2018-12-08 21:29:16 UTC  

or trying to trivialise it

2018-12-08 21:29:21 UTC  

A document showing quotas had been lowered as much as possible but areas still under produced. Also shows kulak sabotage was an issue
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/398889591043653632/412025894228459521/unknown.png
full sized document
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/411984716430835715/411993378054602752/unknown.png

A document showing that the punishment of aggravated failure (sabotage) of crops was to be punished to a greater extent
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/398889591043653632/412026006623223808/unknown.png
full sized document
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/411984716430835715/411993704333574145/unknown.png

A document showing that their was extreme sabotage from kulaks in many ways.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/398889591043653632/412026115838705674/unknown.png
full sized document
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/411984716430835715/411993995846090753/unknown.png

A document showing a regional committee requesting to take repressive measures to stop the famine
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/398889591043653632/412026197250146315/unknown.png
full sized document
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/411984716430835715/411994199001661441/unknown.png

A document showing the CC accepted this request
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/398889591043653632/412026343144947738/unknown.png

A document stopping the mass migration into the urban areas
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/398889591043653632/412026440503263232/unknown.png


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2018-12-08 21:29:24 UTC  

It isn't

2018-12-08 21:29:39 UTC  

"kulak sabotage:

2018-12-08 21:29:40 UTC  

Because the Holocaust was an industrial style genocide

2018-12-08 21:29:42 UTC  

I need to read 200 years...

2018-12-08 21:29:45 UTC  

lol.. dumb book.
doesnt even know about the fucking holodomor.. offer him something, he calls it dumb..

2018-12-08 21:29:48 UTC  

thats dumb

2018-12-08 21:29:57 UTC  

I do know about it

2018-12-08 21:29:58 UTC  

here is grain confiscation during the russian civil war

2018-12-08 21:30:01 UTC  

issues reading?

2018-12-08 21:30:07 UTC  

>wikipedia

2018-12-08 21:30:13 UTC  

Fuck off