Message from @Anon365

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2019-01-05 22:36:05 UTC  

Monopoly prices in kerosene and other products made by Standard Oil would have simply been replaced with substitute goods which Standard Oil did not control.

2019-01-05 22:36:45 UTC  

Look at the monopoly De Beers had

2019-01-05 22:36:47 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/441728840025374731/531239671305469962/image0.png

2019-01-05 22:37:01 UTC  

They artificially sky rocketed diamond prices

2019-01-05 22:37:27 UTC  

No idea about de beers

2019-01-05 22:37:30 UTC  

So I’ll look into that

2019-01-05 22:37:43 UTC  

They're a diamond company who had a monopoly

2019-01-05 22:37:46 UTC  

And btw when in the year of the Supreme Court decision

2019-01-05 22:37:53 UTC  

Standard oil had 150 competitors

2019-01-05 22:38:19 UTC  

But yes your own graph shows prices fell in general

2019-01-05 22:38:22 UTC  

They started of much higher

2019-01-05 22:38:46 UTC  

Those are crude oil prices

2019-01-05 22:38:52 UTC  

Not refined product

2019-01-05 22:39:07 UTC  

Misred

2019-01-05 22:39:10 UTC  

But they did fall

2019-01-05 22:39:13 UTC  

As I said

2019-01-05 22:39:30 UTC  

Diamonds aren't even rare

2019-01-05 22:39:37 UTC  

Infact , Standard Oil had no initial market power, with only about 4 percent of the market in 1870.

2019-01-05 22:39:42 UTC  

But De Beers set their prices insanely high

2019-01-05 22:41:11 UTC  

They also spread campaigns that got us to propose with diamond rings

2019-01-05 22:41:24 UTC  

My point was that falling crude oil prices were the main drive behind Rockefeller’s drops in refined oil prices

2019-01-05 22:41:28 UTC  

It appears it wasn’t a natural monopoly

2019-01-05 22:41:31 UTC  

Not really the marginal competition

2019-01-05 22:41:37 UTC  

not especially, visitor

2019-01-05 22:41:52 UTC  

Obviously that was a factor but not the only factor

2019-01-05 22:42:15 UTC  

Unfortunately, I am unable to find historical data for refined oil prices

2019-01-05 22:42:18 UTC  

“the market has not been really free. In particular, in South Africa, the major center of world diamond production, there has been no free enterprise in diamond mining. The government long ago nationalized all diamond mines, and anyone who finds a diamond mine on his property discovers that the mine immediately becomes government property. The South African government then licenses mine operators who lease the mines from the government and, it so happened, that lo and behold!, the only licensees turned out to be either DeBeers itself or other firms who were willing to play ball with the DeBeers cartel. In short: the international diamond cartel was only maintained and has only prospered because it was enforced by the South African government.” @Anon365

2019-01-05 22:42:21 UTC  

and petroleum products p

2019-01-05 22:42:29 UTC  

Well yeah it was over 100 years ago

2019-01-05 22:42:43 UTC  

yep

2019-01-05 22:42:48 UTC  

I think standard oil is very misunderstood

2019-01-05 22:42:54 UTC  

It’s how people misunderstand the 2008 crisis

2019-01-05 22:43:06 UTC  

I guarantee you think it is something that it isn’t @Leo (BillNyeLand)

2019-01-05 22:43:15 UTC  

What do you believe caused it ?

2019-01-05 22:43:28 UTC  

The subprime mortgage crisis seems like the obvious answer

2019-01-05 22:43:36 UTC  

But what caused that

2019-01-05 22:44:17 UTC  

I assume you’re going to say it’s the fault of the government, which forced banks to lend mortgages to low-income homeowners who eventually were unable to pay it back, causing a widespread financial crisis?

2019-01-05 22:45:02 UTC  

What do you believe it is

2019-01-05 22:46:53 UTC  

Banks were accumulating extra risk, which was indeed partially caused by the government’s homeownership campaign, but the main fault lies with the banks repackaging them into mortgage-backed securities and presenting them to investors as far lower risk investments than they actually were, thereby leading to misinformed and misplaced investment that eventually led to a market crash.

2019-01-05 22:47:17 UTC  

However, of course, some of that stuff was just bad luck, and was nobody’s fault.