Message from @sɪᴅɪsɴᴏᴛʜᴇʀᴇ

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2019-01-05 22:34:26 UTC  

No evidence to support that

2019-01-05 22:34:33 UTC  

As soon as he would, competition would come in

2019-01-05 22:34:35 UTC  

There was an overall lowering trend as crude oil itself got cheaper

2019-01-05 22:34:38 UTC  

Not really

2019-01-05 22:34:49 UTC  

Standard oil did not control the oil extraction business anyways

2019-01-05 22:34:52 UTC  

All the aforementioned tactics basically dissuaded all but the most local competition

2019-01-05 22:34:55 UTC  

yes really

2019-01-05 22:35:07 UTC  

Yes he didn’t raise prices due to him fearing competition

2019-01-05 22:35:11 UTC  

They were more horizontally integrated than vertically integrated, yes

2019-01-05 22:35:12 UTC  

It would have been like that for ever

2019-01-05 22:35:17 UTC  

He often did raise prices

2019-01-05 22:35:46 UTC  

That’s why prices fell

2019-01-05 22:35:55 UTC  

He only lowered it when there was serious competition, a new market to expand into, or an internal cost savings

2019-01-05 22:36:05 UTC  

Monopoly prices in kerosene and other products made by Standard Oil would have simply been replaced with substitute goods which Standard Oil did not control.

2019-01-05 22:36:45 UTC  

Look at the monopoly De Beers had

2019-01-05 22:36:47 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/441728840025374731/531239671305469962/image0.png

2019-01-05 22:37:01 UTC  

They artificially sky rocketed diamond prices

2019-01-05 22:37:27 UTC  

No idea about de beers

2019-01-05 22:37:30 UTC  

So I’ll look into that

2019-01-05 22:37:43 UTC  

They're a diamond company who had a monopoly

2019-01-05 22:37:46 UTC  

And btw when in the year of the Supreme Court decision

2019-01-05 22:37:53 UTC  

Standard oil had 150 competitors

2019-01-05 22:38:19 UTC  

But yes your own graph shows prices fell in general

2019-01-05 22:38:22 UTC  

They started of much higher

2019-01-05 22:38:46 UTC  

Those are crude oil prices

2019-01-05 22:38:52 UTC  

Not refined product

2019-01-05 22:39:07 UTC  

Misred

2019-01-05 22:39:10 UTC  

But they did fall

2019-01-05 22:39:13 UTC  

As I said

2019-01-05 22:39:30 UTC  

Diamonds aren't even rare

2019-01-05 22:39:37 UTC  

Infact , Standard Oil had no initial market power, with only about 4 percent of the market in 1870.

2019-01-05 22:39:42 UTC  

But De Beers set their prices insanely high

2019-01-05 22:41:11 UTC  

They also spread campaigns that got us to propose with diamond rings

2019-01-05 22:41:24 UTC  

My point was that falling crude oil prices were the main drive behind Rockefeller’s drops in refined oil prices

2019-01-05 22:41:28 UTC  

It appears it wasn’t a natural monopoly

2019-01-05 22:41:31 UTC  

Not really the marginal competition

2019-01-05 22:41:37 UTC  

not especially, visitor

2019-01-05 22:41:52 UTC  

Obviously that was a factor but not the only factor

2019-01-05 22:42:15 UTC  

Unfortunately, I am unable to find historical data for refined oil prices

2019-01-05 22:42:18 UTC  

“the market has not been really free. In particular, in South Africa, the major center of world diamond production, there has been no free enterprise in diamond mining. The government long ago nationalized all diamond mines, and anyone who finds a diamond mine on his property discovers that the mine immediately becomes government property. The South African government then licenses mine operators who lease the mines from the government and, it so happened, that lo and behold!, the only licensees turned out to be either DeBeers itself or other firms who were willing to play ball with the DeBeers cartel. In short: the international diamond cartel was only maintained and has only prospered because it was enforced by the South African government.” @Anon365