one is extracting surplus value

I'll DM you Le

another is selling a given commodity at a higher price

@ibm30rpg sure

Yet another way to produce profit is by armed robbery.

heh heh

the government already does that

eventually, being a millionaire it would incidental under socialism, because you would enjoy most amenities and cheaply made consumer goods if not free, so there's no real reason to love as a millionaire if you enjoy the comforts of life and have access to materialism

It's gong to be sad watching Pelosi battle senility in public.

Except for power, capitalism is basically legal power. Nothing wrong in it, unfortunately such cannot be achieved in socialism. That's also why a lot of people dont want it

well ideally

legal power of what?

socialism is democracy at its purest

the people decide what they want, not some ceo or a bureaucratic elite

You know personally thats why i dont like it, Americas good as a republic, its a republic not a democracy. People like being a CEO, having legal roles of importance, reputation, and a benefit of money. Nothing wrong in it

What I mean by legal power, well not illegal power - such as a Mobster Don lol

Pelosi should resign to save the Democrat party.

there isnt, a ceo can offshore jobs, because capitalism at its purest and empirical form is a economic system run on logic and mathematics, not for the general good of the people

ceo, importance, they would be incidental really

when we achieve post scarcity

Well its human nature

not incidental

Really want everybody to be cooped up, basically having no importance, a representative, distinction. People arent gonna want it, I guarantee it

the human nature argument is one of the most fallacious I have heard, there's a important distinction between human nature and human behaviour

Socialism bets against human nature. Capitalism relies on it.

when you have this dog-eat-dog attitude to chase for profits obviously people are going to be greedy

@Fere Nemo no, it's a fallacious argument

Read Peter kropotkin

***reads book***

nope

***comes back a week later***

he clearly shows how humans can work together for the general good without the idea of a profit motive, this is clearly classed by him

sounds like a nice idea, on paper lol

***o wait, where have I seen this before***

when you cultivate people to contribute idea to work for the general good, people will be more inclined to be less inclined to be bother with profit and the betterment of society, that isn't the case today because we have this dog-eat-dog nature

Humians MIGHT work togather for the common good, but they MIGHT just as well camair rouge. Historically, it favors camair rouge.

no, it depends on societal norms and behaviour, if you have that behaviour instilled in you your much less likely

it's not a matter of if, it's a matter of how and when

but in a sense it does lower opportunity

Sure. but I'll roll my dice for capitalism.

admit or not, it does