Message from @Fere Nemo
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when we achieve post scarcity
Well its human nature
not incidental
Really want everybody to be cooped up, basically having no importance, a representative, distinction. People arent gonna want it, I guarantee it
the human nature argument is one of the most fallacious I have heard, there's a important distinction between human nature and human behaviour
Socialism bets against human nature. Capitalism relies on it.
when you have this dog-eat-dog attitude to chase for profits obviously people are going to be greedy
@Fere Nemo no, it's a fallacious argument
Read Peter kropotkin
***reads book***
nope
***comes back a week later***
he clearly shows how humans can work together for the general good without the idea of a profit motive, this is clearly classed by him
sounds like a nice idea, on paper lol
***o wait, where have I seen this before***
when you cultivate people to contribute idea to work for the general good, people will be more inclined to be less inclined to be bother with profit and the betterment of society, that isn't the case today because we have this dog-eat-dog nature
Humians MIGHT work togather for the common good, but they MIGHT just as well camair rouge. Historically, it favors camair rouge.
no, it depends on societal norms and behaviour, if you have that behaviour instilled in you your much less likely
it's not a matter of if, it's a matter of how and when
but in a sense it does lower opportunity
admit or not, it does
no, you would have greater opportunities under socialism lol
its on you whether you say it matters
Greater opportunities you say
you depend on your own capital under capitalism to demonstrate your innovation, under socialism you don't need your own capital, the state or the people will accommodate you with industrial power and information
and if your business fails, you don't carry a huge load of debt you can't pay off
hell you wouldnt even have a business to begin with
not business really, new ideas and innovation
at most you would own a very small business under socialism
Look. I think either system would work if people would do their jobs; it's just that they wont, and capitalism is more tolerant of deviants.
seems pretty limited to me
what if I want a big business
or a relatively small business. or however size I desire
you could of you want, but you cannot employ other people to work under you or extract surplus value from them
or however size I want to work for
the problem is that you cannot sustain it
you have to pay them according to SNLT if you hire people.
One day at a time.
okay, so its limiting opportunity. Simple as that
if theres only 2 ways to make profit, and u cut off literally half the options